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Where does the "Berid" type come from?

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  • A European-evolved version of a North African Cromagnid, present in places with North African geneflow.

    18 36.73%
  • A distinctly European type without any North African influence that developed in situ.

    10 20.41%
  • Part of the European Cromagnid continuum, and related to Paleoatlantid and NOT Berberid.

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    Default Where does the "Berid" type come from?

    I've noticed that within Europe, the only places where Berids occur are places that have an elevated level of North African admixture and affinity.

    Portugal has the most Berids in all of Southern Europe, and they also have the highest North African influence.
    Spain, Sicily, and Malta also have the Berid type, and those places also have a genetic influence from North Africa.

    France, Greece and the Balkans has neither Berids nor North African influence. The Berid type is one of the few things that distinguishes Iberians from the French.

    So my question is, where do you think the type arose from? Do you think it is a European-evolved version of a North African Berberid? Or do you think it developed in Europe without any North African influence, and one is not needed to have the Berid type occur?

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    North African influence in Europe; notice it coincides with the prevalence of the Berid type.


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    Anyone who picks #2 or #3 needs to try to refute what I demonstrated about the coincidence with the prevalence of North African genes .

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    I don't know what berids are so i used google and came up with this example:



    You would have an hard time to find a moroccan that looks like that. And also, she would score around 5% north african autosomally, but also so would everyone else.. including people who look like this:



    So linking autosomal results that are common for everyone, with a single phenotype is not a very good idea.

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    That isn't a good example of Berid. these are:







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    ^This one doesn't look native, not by a long shot. I guess you could find moroccans that look like that.

    But like this one, woul be mission impossible:


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    Assuming that anyone who looks off is Portuguese.

    Berid originated In Morocco.Later 3 Millions Moroccans Invaded the Peninsula and raped all their Women one by one.
    Thus giving raise to the Berid Type.

    The Med types.Atlantid and the combination of both are obviously from British and French and Germanic even Invaders.

    There's no native Portuguese People.
    You should know that.Look at you.

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    But most North Africans are not "Berberids" anymore due to Arab and SSA influences, and South Med. If you find a pure North African CM type they would look like a Berid.

    Anyway, it's not that the Berid type is not "native" to Southern Europe but why does it appear in places with North African input? If you would be comfortable saying that East Med exists in Europe due to the Neolithic West Asian input, why not do the same for Berid with regard to ancient North African?

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    I don't get it, it's not like someone with the Berid phenotype will have a higher than average NA score.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atlantic Islander View Post
    I don't get it, it's not like someone with the Berid phenotype will have a higher than average NA score.
    No they wouldn't but genetic recombinations result in various phenotypes even amongst populations that are stabilized. The North African gene flow is what I think brought the Berid type.

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