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    Quote Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic View Post
    Nikola Tesla? Oghur ancestry? Are you serious man? His branch of R1a is defined as "Germano-Slavic". Oghurs have nothing common with him.
    Valentyn Stetsyuk: Türks as Carriers of the Corded Ware Cultures

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    The Türks themselves as nomads were in a much smaller number and could not settle on the vast expanse of Europe, where they left traces of their Corded Ware culture (hereinafter CWC). However, due to inherent for nomads militancy and better organization they subordinated Trypillians their cultural influence, impose the way of life and, obviously, the language, as it is evidenced by numerous place names of Türkic origin in Central and Northern Europe.

    [...]
    When covering the topic of Türkic expansion we will rely heavily on the Bulgarian toponymy, the vast majority of which can be interpreted by the Chuvash language, what suggests that the Bulgarian ethnic element was prevalent among Corded Ware Culture.



    - purple dots mark localities with Bulgarish origin of the name, which may correspond to the times of CWC or close to them.
    - Maroon – the later, of Scythian period.
    - Asterisks star marks known single or group sites of CWC.
    - light brown area shows Indo-Europeans
    - light green area is the territory of the spread Fatyanovo and Balanovo cultures.
    - Hydronyms of Bulgarish origin are indicated by turquoise dots.
    - yellow dots = Semitic + Chuvash
    - red = Chuvash
    ...
    The Turks originally belonged to the European race. Study of skulls from burials of CWC gives grounds to say that the carriers om them were naturally people of Caucasoid type.
    ...
    The large number of settlements which names have the root of turk/ turk (Turkovo, Turka, Turku, Túrkeve, Turkeye, Thürkow, Thurgau, Turgi, Torgau, etc.) speaks of the significance of trade in the economic activity of the ancient Bulgars. There are more than twenty these names in Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Hungary, Germany, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Finland. All of them come from Old Bulgar *turku "place of exchange, trade".
    Carleton Coon: Corded people and introduction of Altaic speech into Europe

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    One whole school of European archaeologists and linguists associates the Corded people with the diffusion of Indo-European speech. 10 Nehring, in a recent work of great detail and authority, would make the Danubians the original Indo Europeans.11 He would explain the Altaic cultural similarities by dividing the Indo-European culture and vocabulary into two elements:

    (1) an early horizon in which the ox was the most important domestic animal economically, and agriculture of primary importance;
    (2) a later horizon of indirect Altaic inspiration, in which the horse was supreme and agriculture secondary.

    [...]

    The Danubians who settled the fertile plains and valleys of eastern and central Europe already spoke basic Indo-European; the Finno-Ugrian-Caucasic blend which produced this linguistic entity took place before their migration westward. The introduction of Altaic words, particularly those concerned with the care of the horse, were infused into the previous Indo European linguistic blend at the time of strongest Corded influence in central Europe, which produced the Aunjetitz culture.

    [...]

    An inruption of relatively unmixed Corded invaders from their eastern center, about 2200 B.C., brought the Altaic linguistic element noted by Nehring in Indo-European speech into central Europe, and produced, by a blending of these Corded invaders with European Danubian racial elements, the European Nordics, who, during the Late Bronze Age and the Iron Age, spread Indo-European speech over a wide area.

    In the middle of the second millennium B.C., during the full Bronze Age, one branch of these Indo-European speakers, the Iranians, spread eastward from their home in southern Russia across the country north of the Black Sea into Turkestan, and thence some of them went southward into Afghanistan and India, bearing with them their original cattle and farming culture which they had brought from their earlier home, with a minimum of horse culture elements.
    Other Iranians remained on the plains, and took over the horse nomadism which the Altaic speakers had already developed. That they mixed with Altaic speakers, as the legend of the Scythian youths and Amazon maidens would suggest, is probable, owing to their acquisition of a low cranial vault and a wide face, eastern Nordic traits which at this time were foreign to western Europe. The importance of Altaic god names in what is known of the Scythian language would support this contention. These Iranians spread the horse culture westward to the Danube and eastward to China, and pushed those of their Altaic-speaking predecessors whom they had failed to absorb northward and eastward into Siberia and Mongolia.
    26 This is substantiated by the fact that some of the Neolithic skulls from Lake Baikal studied by Debetz are of Mediterranean type, while others resemble those of modern Tungus.
    Debetz, G., RAJ, vol. 19, 1930, pp. 750; AZM, vol. 2, 1932, pp. 2648.

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    Of two elements in this reconstruction we are reasonably sure; that the ancestors of some of the living Turks, including the Turkomans, Azerbaijanis, and Osmanlis, were always white men, and that the Corded people were racially related to the inhabitants of the Iranian plateau in antiquity.
    (keep in mind, Turks are considered as Mongoloid-shifted white men by both author's)
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    I'm starting to doubt if Scythians were I*anic speakers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kipchak Håkan View Post
    Valentyn Stetsyuk: Türks as Carriers of the Corded Ware Cultures

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    Carleton Coon: Corded people and introduction of Altaic speech into Europe

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    (keep in mind, Turks are considered as Mongoloid-shifted white men by both author's)
    Sorry man, but i don't understand you. As i see you claims that R1a Indoeuropeans and R1a Turks have same ancestors....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic View Post
    Sorry man, but i don't understand you. As i see you claims that R1a Indoeuropeans and R1a Turks have same ancestors....
    Well, thats the point where genetics played a tricky game with linguistics. I do not expect anybody to understand. The same goes for R1b and all other haplos.
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    I'm starting to doubt if Scythians were I*anic speakers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic View Post
    As i see you claims that R1a Indoeuropeans and R1a Turks have same ancestors....
    It would be fine, if he would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kipchak Håkan View Post
    Well, thats the point where genetics played a tricky game with linguistics. I do not expect anybody to understand. The same goes for R1b and all other haplos.
    Your language family is total alien compared to other European languages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic View Post
    Your language family is total alien compared to other European languages.
    Sorry, no:

    http://www.v-stetsyuk.name/en/Altay.html

    Indo-European is a result of Caucasian sex orgies with Turks, some 6,000 years ago.
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    I'm starting to doubt if Scythians were I*anic speakers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kipchak Håkan View Post
    Valentyn Stetsyuk: Türks as Carriers of the Corded Ware Cultures

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    Carleton Coon: Corded people and introduction of Altaic speech into Europe

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    (keep in mind, Turks are considered as Mongoloid-shifted white men by both author's)
    Hahah. So you think that proto-Turks were Indo-Europeans? I don't think so. Even your old religion were similar to Mongoloid - Tengrism. Indo-European religions were totally different religions. They had similar religious things. Slavs believed in god Perun,Swarog,Svetovid,Jarillo,etc.. Nords in Odin, Thor... Greeks in Zeus etc etc... Tengrism is totally diffrent civilisation and religion then this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kipchak Håkan View Post
    Sorry, no:

    http://www.v-stetsyuk.name/en/Altay.html

    Indo-European is a result of Caucasian sex orgies with Turks, some 6,000 years ago.
    Not true, Turks are a result of Caucasian sex orgies with Mongols. So you don't have race. You are europid-mongol admixture called Turanid.

    And also, Turkic origin are Xiognu warriors, from China

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic View Post
    Not true, Turks are a result of Caucasian sex orgies with Mongols.
    1. Indo-European as a branch of Uralo-Altaic was transformed under the influence of a Caucasian substratum
    ...the linguistic evidence from our family does not lead us beyond Gimbutas’ secondary homeland and that the Khvalynsk culture on the middle Volga and the Maykop culture in the northern Caucasus cannot be identified with the Indo-Europeans. Any proposal which goes beyond the Sredny Stog culture must start from the possible affinities of Indo-European with other language families. It is usually recognized that the best candidate in this respect is the Uralic language family, while further connections with the Altaic languages and perhaps even Dravidian are possible... What we do have to take into account is the typological similarity of Proto-Indo-European to the North-West Caucasian (i.e. Adyg) languages. If this similarity can be attributed to areal factors, we may think of Indo-European as a branch of Uralo-Altaic which was transformed under the influence of a Caucasian substratum. It now appears that this view is actually supported by the archaeological evidence. If it is correct, we may locate the earliest (Uralo-Altaic) ancestors of the speakers of Proto-Indo-European north of the Caspian Sea in the seventh millennium. [F.Kortlandt, Journal of Indo-European Studies, Volume 18, 1990, p.131]

    You see? Indo-European is a result of Caucasian sex orgies with Turks, some 6,000 years ago

    Quote Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic View Post
    So you don't have race. You are europid-mongol admixture called Turanid.
    2. http://www.worldlibrary.org/articles/turanid_race
    In European literature of the period a "Turanid race" was widely known as a Europid subtype, dwelling on the borders of the two racial groups since primeval times.


    Quote Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic View Post
    And also, Turkic origin are Xiognu warriors, from China
    3. Xiongnu = Europoids with long yellow beard ((((:

    “While we still cannot answer with certainty the question of the ethnic identity, the reconstruction of the process of its breakup inevitably leads to the inference that the original Xiongnu federation had a major Europoid component.”

    Sanping Chen: "Multicultural China in the Early Middle Ages." University of Pennsylvania Press, 2012. p.94.

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    “Anthropologically, the Huns of Talas, the Tien- shan and Alai are characterized by a very slight admixture of Mongoloid blood", and their Europoid traits were gaining more and more prominence throughout the second and fourth centuries”



    I︠U︡riĭ Vladimirovich Gankovskiĭ. "The Peoples of Pakistan: An Ethnic History". Nauka Publishing House, Central Department of Oriental Literature, 1971. p.92.

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    “As archaeologist, O. Maenchen- Helfen found the Hunni different from the Hiung-nu in China.52 He, however, as a result of the analysis of Soviet archaeological reports, recognised the mainly Europoid physique of the Hiung-nu. From some Chinese evidence it seems that the Hiung-nu had long yellow beards, …”

    Harold Walter Bailey. "Khotanese Texts, Volume 7", Cambridge University Press, 1985. p. 25.

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    “Scientists have thus confirmed the conclusion V.P.Alekseeva, I.M.Mizieva K.P.Laypanova and promotion of primary tribes from west to east. It turns out that, ultimately, the Turkic tribes began as Caucasoids in the Volga-Urals region.”

    "Эхо веков". тип. Татарского газетно-журнального изд-ва, 1999. p. 288.

    2018 - The stone is rolling
    Quote Originally Posted by Token View Post
    I'm starting to doubt if Scythians were I*anic speakers.
    Quote Originally Posted by Token View Post
    If not **anic, probably an unknown Centum branch.
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