More than Myth: Ancient DNA Reveals Roots of 1st Greek Civilizations

[Laberia]

Which what many of us have been saying all along despite on the fact that the anti-Greek trolls keep claiming that today's Greeks have nothing to do with their ancient ancestors that founded western civilization. The ones that keep on trolling the Greeks are mostly Turks and Albanians.

Nobody from the Albanians troll the greeks. Greece has been colonised by Albanians, at least in middle age is described as an empty country until this Albanian colonists arrived. This are historical facts.

[Albobalboa]

Keep it about topic here only, and factual. Questions and opinions on the facts presented here only. Otherwise this thread will go south when it actually deserves to be explained and discussed. Could change opinion on modern Greeks now

[catgeorge]

Nobody from the Albanians troll the greeks. Greece has been colonised by Albanians, at least in middle age is described as an empty country until this Albanian colonists arrived. This are historical facts.

Laberia you spend more time here than in Shqip forum so does Albaboloney.

Except you are an interesting case with Albanian Flag and Greek King as avatar. Talking about being Komplexed.

[nightrider+]

They're around 70 percent Ancient and 30 percent BaltoSlavic.

Until your next post. Then it's going to be Slavic+Dorian again.

[Kamal900]

Nobody from the Albanians troll the greeks. Greece has been colonised by Albanians, at least in middle age is described as an empty country until this Albanian colonists arrived. This are historical facts.

I am aware that the Arvanites played a big role in the independence of Greece, and yes, I know that they are of Albanian Tosk christian origins. But I find the idea that Greece was some kind of an empty barren wasteland is very far fetched for me.

[Queen B]

I am aware that the Arvanites played a big role in the independence of Greece, and yes, I know that they are of Albanian Tosk christian origins. But I find the idea that Greece was some kind of an empty barren wasteland is very far fetched for me.

The Arvanites weren't more than 30k back when they first came, and never reached more than 200.000 (biggest estimation). In a country from 4.5 million to 11 million, that's hardly a genetic impact.

[Laberia]

I am aware that the Arvanites played a big role in the independence of Greece, and yes, I know that they are of Albanian Tosk christian origins. But I find the idea that Greece was some kind of an empty barren wasteland is very far fetched for me.

It's from the medieval chronicles. And there is consensus between greek and international scholars.
And this Albanians were in majority Tosks, it's true. But also were waves of Ghegs also.

[catgeorge]

Arvanites back then could be said the same of Albanians in Greece today with similar if not equal percentages.

Albanians in Greece today are being self Hellenised (re-Hellenised?) without anyone saying a word to them - why is that.......

[Skerdilaid]

No one is completely unchanged from ancient times. They may have small admixtures here and there but they derive the majority (~70%+) of their ancestry from the ancients.

Their conclusion are incorrect, they don't derive ~70+ of their ancestry from ancients, maybe only some islanders to some extent but even then it's an exaggeration.

What this papers fails to mentions is why modern mainland Greeks cluster with Albanian and south Slavs like Bulgarians.

Anyway, all in all the only thing that actually connects them to ancients seems to be J2a. So J2a folks are the real Greeks, hear hear

[Albobalboa]

I'm not able to find anything specific on just how similar the modern Greeks are with the ancient Greeks. And where the similarities are the strongest, and where they are the weakest.

There's too many question marks here. Genetic continuity could mean just about anything. If your 100 last generations backwards have all been consisting of your Greek maternal ancestors being dicked down by slavs, you'd still have Greek genetic continuity. Give me more detail. So imagine now that 30% of all the dicking in Greek genetic history was done by BaltoSlavic peoples, is that how this should be understood? And how come none can be acclaimed to Albanians when we know of pretty major migrations, which ended up in quite a few mixed relationships. Are we too similar genetically? Then what's the point with the continuity claim if it could refer to all balkan peoples?

So many questions here, if anyone can answer one or all that'd be appreciated.