Northern influence in Greeks.

[brennus dux gallorum]

In terms of Y-DNA lineages in Greece, Slavic contribution is much greater than Germanic and Celtic. Admixture from all those 3 populations is present, but the majority of it is Slavic.

This is also what history says, yes, both celtic and germanic, along with other invasions and assimilations are recorded, but not as much as Slavic

[Sikeliot]

I think the further north and inland in Greece, the more of the northern admixture is Slavic versus native.

[brennus dux gallorum]

I think the further north and inland in Greece, the more of the northern admixture is Slavic versus native.

Yes, with inland vs coast coming first.

[Sikeliot]

Yes, with inland vs coast coming first.

I think inland Peloponnesians would be more Slavicized than those on the coast even. For whatever reason it is central Greece close to Attica with the least Slavic of all mainlanders.

[brennus dux gallorum]

I think inland Peloponnesians would be more Slavicized than those on the coast even. For whatever reason it is central Greece close to Attica with the least Slavic of all mainlanders.

I think the "inland effect" is something common in the country as a whole, not only peloponnese, except of mountainous areas, which also may protected from invasions as much as the castles of coast

[Sikeliot]

I think the "inland effect" is something common in the country as a whole, not only peloponnese, except of mountainous areas, which also may protected from invasions as much as the castles of coast

I am glad all the ancient DNA samples came out because they show neither Greek mainlanders nor islanders are unchanged, and neither were ever 100% like modern Sicilians and Dodecanese.

[Tauromachos]

I am glad all the ancient DNA samples came out because they show neither Greek mainlanders nor islanders are unchanged, and neither were ever 100% like modern Sicilians and Dodecanese.

???????
Which DNA samples?

The DNA studies referenced in the thread .linked below tell a different version
of the story

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?217162-Science-Greeks-are-direct-descendants-of-Minoans-and-Mycenaeans&p=4554739#post4554739

[Sikeliot]

???????
Which DNA samples?

The DNA studies referenced in the thread .linked below tell a different version
of the story

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?217162-Science-Greeks-are-direct-descendants-of-Minoans-and-Mycenaeans&p=4554739#post4554739

They say they are "direct descendants" but I am unsure why they think this when the results and plotting are so different. I would never have interpreted it that way, it's like I read an entirely different paper and saw entirely different charts.

[catgeorge]

Fantasies - Greek R1a is mostly PIE Celtic R1b is also mostly Celtic
Greek I2a is Sardinian. R-M512 is considered North Italian and where Greeks would have got it from
The percentage of Northern Influence post PIE is as miniscule to non existent as you can get

https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ction=yresults

[Сербо Макеридов]

So lately this Forum has a dilemma: is the Northerh influence on Greeks Indo-European or Slavic?

1) Why not from Celts? Celtic invading tribes had even reached Peloponnese at one point.

2) Why don't they claim that is Germanic? For example, northern Greece was overrun by Germanic tribes, at one point they even reached Athens.

3) Anyone who has studied Byzantine history knows that the Byzantines slaughtered and expelled the Slavs who invaded Greece and settled them in Asia Minor other massacres followed, since the Slavs were rebellious and the Byzantines didn't like that.

But in my opinion, northern influence in Greece is a result of Indo-Europeans. I don't think that Celts and Germanics left many genetic traces in Greece, and as I said previously, the Byzantines eventually expelled the invading Slavs.

Discuss.

There is any Celtic haplogroup (or only in trace) among Greeks.
Celts were R1b-U152, R1b-L21, G2a-L496 and maybe R1b-DF27, these haplogroups do not exist or almost do not exist among Greeks.

Greeks have 16% R1b, but that branch have nothing to do with Celts, Greks mostly have eastern branch R1b-L23.



Only Slavic influence is northern influence among Greeks, there is no Celtic and Germanic influence among Greeks.