Dispelling the myth that Sicilians overall "cluster with" Peloponnesian Greeks.

[Sikeliot]

Greece has alot of Islands and they are not everywhere the same people.
There are Islanders who are not very similar to Cretans and Mainland people who are more close to Crete than theseIslanders
and Sicilians are.
This!

I would say there are Islanders that have no more Levantine affinity than Mainlanders.
And there are Mainlanders who have not more Slavic or Northern affinity,be it NW,NE than Islanders.

Maybe. I will keep looking. I mean no offense.

Btw look at the results. It is clear the Palermitans are more Levant shifted than that person from Messina in eastern Sicily. So what we said was true. The Messina result is North African shifted though.

[Lavrentis]

Sikeliot, people from eastern Peloponnese are in majority of Arvanite origin. There are some other small communities of Arvanites in Peloponnese too.

[Sikeliot]

Bumping because some people still deny reality...

[kleenex]

I'm not sure about the rest of the Peloponnese or even Messinia but my own genetic makeup has me clustering with Albanians, Epirotes, Tuscans, and Thessalians which suggests either Dorian input and/or a more recent Slavic admixture. If you compare a typical Messinian (not Laconia and/or Tskonian) result you may find that there is quite a bit of NW Greek affinity.

[Sikeliot]

I'm not sure about the rest of the Peloponnese or even Messinia but my own genetic makeup has me clustering with Albanians, Epirotes, Tuscans, and Thessalians which suggests either Dorian input and/or a more recent Slavic admixture. If you compare a typical Messinian (not Laconia and/or Tskonian) result you may find that there is quite a bit of NW Greek affinity.

I have seen only one partly Tsakonian result but Laconians vary. Some seem close to Abruzzese and central Italians, others more to other Greeks.

[kleenex]

I have seen only one partly Tsakonian result but Laconians vary. Some seem close to Abruzzese and central Italians, others more to other Greeks.

Would you say Laconians from Mani cluster with Southern Italians as opposed to Laconians from the North? I can only think of this Laconian: http://ilarge.lisimg.com/image/51493...spiridakos.jpg

[Sikeliot]

Would you say Laconians from Mani cluster with Southern Italians as opposed to Laconians from the North? I can only think of this Laconian: http://ilarge.lisimg.com/image/51493...spiridakos.jpg

I do not know how the geography works but my impression is they are the most southern-like mainlanders as well as some people in Attica.

[kleenex]

I do not know how the geography works but my impression is they are the most southern-like mainlanders as well as some people in Attica.

Objectively speaking I think you make a lot of sense (theoretically) based on the result I've seen from the Peloponnese and other quadrants from the Greek mainland. Not sure why Greek nationals on this website are so opposed to your findings other than some sort of gratuitous agenda. It's much easier for US born Greeks to look at these results contextually without getting caught up in this false pretense of Greek ethnic/genetic uniformity.

[Coolguy1]

Objectively speaking I think you make a lot of sense (theoretically) based on the result I've seen from the Peloponnese and other quadrants from the Greek mainland. Not sure why Greek nationals on this website are so opposed to your findings other than some sort of gratuitous agenda. It's much easier for US born Greeks to look at these results contextually without getting caught up in this false pretense of Greek ethnic/genetic uniformity.

What villages in Messinia are you from?

[kleenex]

Maternal grandfather; Aeotos, Messinia
Maternal grandmother; Paliohori Arcadia (near Kosmas in the Parnon mts)
Paternal grandfather; Kokinon, Messinia (in the mountains up from Longa)
Paternal grandmother Paneyeka, Messinia (near Kokinon) but has been depopulated.