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    Quote Originally Posted by Siyendi View Post
    İt's not me who prepared the work. However, I can somewhat understand its logic. By country it means the land, but even more so the state. Even vassality status is considered conquest.
    English state has never been conquered ever since 1066.

    Yeah Turkey was also invaded in 1918 including capital Istanbul however Ankara was untouched and the parliament members as well as army units and officers gathered there and fought off.
    So the continuity of the state, with its institutions as an independent entity controlling some lands and population has not been harmed.
    In 1918 there was no Republic of Turkey it was still the Ottoman Empire wich was dissoluted in 1922, so no basis to claim state continuity...you know this better than me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebastianus Rex View Post
    The criteria is nonsensical, f.ex. the USSR was a federation of republics, if it is considered that Ukraine, Belarus etc were occupied by the USSR then so would Russia.

    And also what is that about Turkey ? Constantinople was taken in 1453.

    Among other things...
    USSR is considered to be Russia or at least dominated by Russia (official language, capital city in Russian majority city etc). Bolsheviks were from the Russian people who changed the Russian Empire's regime. Russia hasnt been conquered by another nation in that process.
    Turkey? Constantinople taken in 1453 ? Man you need to review history.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sebastianus Rex View Post
    In 1918 there was no Republic of Turkey it was still the Ottoman Empire wich was dissoluted in 1922, so no basis to claim state continuity...you know this better than me.
    Ottoman empire officially never existed. Its name was Turkey and the Republic of Turkey is officially (by internation Lausannes treaty) the follower of the Ottoman Turkey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siyendi View Post
    USSR is considered to be Russia or at least dominated by Russia (official language, capital city in Russian majority city etc). Bolsheviks were from the Russian people who changed the Russian Empire's regime.
    Considered to be Russia by whom ? So Stalin was ethnic Russian ? Not even Lenin was fully ethnic Russian. Of course Russia being the largest and most populous republic had more influence than all the others but in terms of population it represented only about half. Russia was just another republic of the USSR, the most important one but still one of many. Bolsheviks and Soviet leaders were far from being all Russian.

    Russia hasnt been conquered by another nation in that process.
    Then neither were many other Soviet republics, they were all taken by Bolsheviks.

    Turkey? Constantinople taken in 1453 ? Man you need to review history.
    It seems like you come from an alternative reality. Is that what they teach you in Turkish schools ?

    Constantinople was Byzantine and was taken by Ottoman Turks in 1453, that is not even debatable.



    Ottoman empire officially never existed.
    Whatever dude.

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    In 1243 Turkey didn't exist how we see it today. The Seljuks/Rum dinasties occupied a part of Anatolia while most of modern West Turkey was Byzantine in that period.
    1263 map

    What is that "invasion map" supposed to prove anyway? There are historical, geographical and strategic implications to consider.
    Germany has been occupied 70 years ago and now is the strongest European nation.

    Im sure that this thread will degenerated in the usual "my nation is better than yours" (which is a small penis mentality if you think).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Columella View Post
    In 1243 Turkey didn't exist how we see it today. The Seljuks/Rum dinasties occupied a part of Anatolia while most of modern West Turkey was Byzantine in that period.
    1263 map

    What is that "invasion map" supposed to prove anyway? There are historical, geographical and strategic implications to consider.
    Germany has been occupied 70 years ago and now is the strongest European nation.

    The history of Turkey starts in 1071 as a state. To this day it's the same state which changed form, shape and ways over the last 1000 years.

    Also in 1081 the Seljuk vanguard units progressed until Marmara sea but in 1098 with the Crusader move, Turks lost some territories. Despite that, still good parts of Asia Minor Peninsula was controlled by Seljuks of Rum.

    Old European map here shows that.

    Europe in 1100 (map prepared and published in 1837 by catographers were Malte-Brun and Conrad):



    1101 is considered the year Seljuks of Rum truly separated from the rest of the empire.

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    Turkey was occupied in 1918, map should be fixed, nice try to cover it up tho, Mongol Empire lol.

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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/li...unconquered14/



    The 15 countries that have gone unconquered the longest

    1) UK (1066)
    2) Turkey (1243)
    3) Russia (1480)
    4) Sweden (1523)
    5) Buthan (1634)

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