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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Rethel of Retheley View Post
    To co, oni są bezzapachowi?
    Tak. Yes, they don't need deodorants (you won't buy any there).

    In Japan, having body odor is considered a medical condition.

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    Some of Scandinavian Hunter-Gatherers were Mongoloid:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ectody...ed_EDAR_allele

    "In a 2015 study, three (of six) ancient DNA samples (7,900-7,500 BP) from Motala, Sweden, were found to carry the rs3827760 mutation.[10]"

    But they were not R1. They were Non-Indo-European.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    Some of Scandinavian Hunter-Gatherers were Mongoloid:
    Probably some Kets brought it there treking through whole northern
    Eurasia to Göteborg taking underway some mongoloidic admix.

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    Maps of the Indo-Europeans, R1a and R1b





    Even the Proto-Indo-Europeans were practically 100% R1a or R1b. Out of 54 tested Proto-Indo-European males at Proto-Indo-European sites in Central and Eastern Europe, 48 were either R1a or R1b. That is over 88% accuracy that the Proto-Indo-Europeans were R1a and R1b. R1 is the Haplogroup of Indo-Europeans. The one I2a2 found out of the Yamna culture can be historically explained as a captured slave boy from the Native Europeans. He most certainly did not come from Southeast Asia like the Indo-European ancestors did looking non-white. There was also one Q found in Andronovo & Karasuk in Central Asia and some non-European haplogroups (xI, xE, xG, xN, xJ, xT, xQ, xR) in Corded Ware and in Andronovo & Karasuk at these Proto-Indo-European sites (sorry about the edit).

    Take a look at a Indo-European tribe that did not conquer the Native Europeans like the Bashkirs, which are 73.5% Indo-European Haplogroup R. It is a Indo-European Haplogroup tribe that has Mongoloid features. Germany only has 60% Indo-European Haplogroup R and they are considered Indo-European. France has 61.5% Indo-European Haplogroup R and they are considered Indo-European. Poland is 70% Indo-European Haplogroup R and they are considered Indo-European. What makes the Bashkirs different? As has been explained by others, the ancestors to the Proto-Indo-Europeans R1 (including R1a and R1b) did not yet take enough Native European women as conquest spoils of war to make then look white.

    The ancestors to the R1a and R1b were R1 and they came out of the mongoloid K2 Family of Haplogroups, with the evidence that they have Mongoloid features in the East, that a tribe more Indo-European than France, Germany and Poland has nearly full mongoloid like the Bashkirs.

    The breakdown of what is an Indo-European today is vastly different than what was an Indo-Europeans coming out of Asia thousands of years ago. They were not white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    But that is bullshit because Mongoloid features simply did not yet exist 24,000 years ago. They evolved only later. Even the native Ainu of Japan are Europid, as John R. Baker in "Race" described them:



    Although they can also be counted as relatively gracile Australoids, in my opinion. Especially considering, that genetically the Ainu are much closer to Australoid Papuans than to Europeans.

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    Modern "classic Mongoloids" - Chinese, Koreans, Japanese - are descended from a very recent, massive expansion of East Asian Neolithic farmers. This is why they look so similar to each other.

    They replaced earlier hunter-gatherer populations (such as the Ainu in Japan).

    Modern East Siberians are descended from the same farmers, who became hunters again.
    Mal'ta boy was actually the first Mongoloid in archaelogical record. All mongoloids descend from Mal'ta boy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harkonnen View Post
    Mal'ta boy was actually the first Mongoloid in archaelogical record. All mongoloids descend from Mal'ta boy.
    Nope. Mal'ta boy represents Caucasoid ancestry of Native Americans.

    Native Americans are a mixture of Mongoloids and Mal'ta-like people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    Nope. Mal'ta boy represents Caucasoid ancestry of Native Americans.

    Native Americans are a mixture of Mongoloids and Mal'ta-like people.
    Nope ENA part of Native Americans evolved in warm coastal East Asia where so called Paleo-Mongoloids roamed. Neo-Mongoloids evolved in Maltaboy-Siberia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Messier 67 View Post
    Take a look at a Indo-European tribe that did not conquer the Native Europeans like the Bashkirs, which are 73.5% Indo-European Haplogroup R. It is a Indo-European Haplogroup tribe that has Mongoloid features. Germany only has 60% Indo-European Haplogroup R and they are considered Indo-European. France has 61.5% Indo-European Haplogroup R and they are considered Indo-European. Poland is 70% Indo-European Haplogroup R and they are considered Indo-European. What makes the Bashkirs different? As has been explained by others, the ancestors to the Proto-Indo-Europeans R1 (including R1a and R1b) did not yet take enough Native European women as conquest spoils of war to make then look white.

    The ancestors to the R1a and R1b were R1 and they came out of the mongoloid K2 Family of Haplogroups, with the evidence that they have Mongoloid features in the East, that a tribe more Indo-European than France, Germany and Poland has nearly full mongoloid like the Bashkirs.

    The breakdown of what is an Indo-European today is vastly different than what was an Indo-Europeans coming out of Asia thousands of years ago. They were not white.
    Wrong.
    Baszkirs have later mongolian and Ugrofinian admix - this is why they llok mongoloidic.
    Their neighbours, Udmurts are very white, and are even more redheaded than Scots and Irish together.
    Btw, if your theory would be true, then what on earth did do white Tocharians in China?!
    Or the white Iranians in Kazakhstan?! They should be even more yellow than Bashkirs. But weren't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Rethel of Retheley View Post
    Funny thing is, that they did include some IE names, like Eesti or Tarszisz.
    There is problem in the title caption info. IE's didnt replace Turks. Turks replaced them in many places when you look at the last 2k years.
    Also Hattush is a Hittite, hence IE name if I am not mistaken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harkonnen View Post
    Mal'ta boy was actually the first Mongoloid in archaelogical record. All mongoloids descend from Mal'ta boy.
    I didn't know, that 5 year old Castozo can have children - chinese-like in addition...

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