Ancient Mycenaean and Minoan DNA - Not Indo-European?

[Dr Frasier Crane]

IE is a language family, nothing else. No such thing as Indo-European DNA.

Okay, my apologies. What I meant, then, was European in terms of DNA.

[Lavrentis]

Sorry, I am new at this. I'll delete the thread and start it again somewhere else, if you'd like.

No man, you're not new at this. You even started this thread with saying "Sikeliot has mentioned it many times" and now you say that Sikeliot always talks about increased Levantine input in Sicilians.

[Dr Frasier Crane]

No man, you're not new at this. You even started this thread with saying "Sikeliot has mentioned it many times" and now you say that Sikeliot always talks about increased Levantine input in Sicilians.

I'm new at actually posting. I'd find threads on google.

[Sikeliot]

But you always talk about how the original Sicilians had a increased Levantine input?

I thought so, but now I think the Levantine input is more recent, since even Minoans were further from the Levant than are modern Cretans.

[Dr Frasier Crane]

I thought so, but now I think the Levantine input is more recent, since even Minoans were further from the Levant than are modern Cretans.

Ah, then I must have misread your other post. Do you have a hypothesis as to how recent and from where?

[Sikeliot]

Ah, then I must have misread your other post. Do you have a hypothesis as to how recent and from where?

I do not, no. In Sicily it would be due to Phoenicians and the Arab conquest. In Crete possibly due to trade?

[Dr Frasier Crane]

I do not, no. In Sicily it would be due to Phoenicians and the Arab conquest. In Crete possibly due to trade?

Are you speaking of only western Sicily or Sicily as a whole? It would be strange for Sicilians to have more Levantine DNA as opposed to Greek. Greeks held more colonies in the region for longer. If they do, could some of that west-asian DNA in Sicily actually be from the Greeks?

That's with the understanding that the Arab conquests left a negligible impact on the island.

[Sikeliot]

Are you speaking of only western Sicily or Sicily as a whole? It would be strange for Sicilians to have more Levantine DNA as opposed to Greek. Greeks held more colonies in the region for longer. If they do, could some of that west-asian DNA in Sicily actually be from the Greeks?

That's with the understanding that the Arab conquests left a negligible impact on the island.

Mycenaeans plotted further from the Levant than modern day Sicilians do, and Greeks have only since gotten more mainstream European. How could the West Asian influence possibly be from Greece? That makes no sense at all.

Also, parts of Sicily do not have any Greek ancestry -- most people in Palermo do not nor do large parts of Caltanissetta, Messina, or Agrigento. All of these places are the ones with the MOST West Asian, while the region with the most Greek -- Syracuse/Ragusa/Enna -- has the least.

There is influence in Sicily, from North Africa and the Levant, absent in Greece. Thus, it must have arrived either with Phoenicians or during the Arab conquest.

[Dr Frasier Crane]

Mycenaeans plotted further from the Levant than modern day Sicilians do, and Greeks have only since gotten more mainstream European. How could the West Asian influence possibly be from Greece? That makes no sense at all.

Also, parts of Sicily do not have any Greek ancestry -- most people in Palermo do not nor do large parts of Caltanissetta, Messina, or Agrigento. All of these places are the ones with the MOST West Asian, while the region with the most Greek -- Syracuse/Ragusa/Enna -- has the least.

There is influence in Sicily, from North Africa and the Levant, absent in Greece. Thus, it must have arrived either with Phoenicians or during the Arab conquest.

Thank you for educating me. As I said, sorry for being ignorant.

[Messier 67]

Indo-European is Haplogroup R.

The study found Caucasoids only, no Indo-Europeans:

Y dna from Lazardis et al on ancient Greek dna.PNG