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    Quote Originally Posted by Decius View Post
    I always thought it was maybe Central and Northern Germans or Dutch
    No it is the British (Celtic fringe especially), Irish (I always wondered why they were so pasty, yuck!) , Belgians (my people), Dutch (particularly the people of Friesland, Groningen, Drenthe), North-West French (Les Bretons surtout), North-West Germans (No Hunnish admixture here for sure!), Southwestern Norwegians.
    Southern Europe has known plenty of mixing, but I'll play very safe and say the Basques of northern Spain and southwestern France would be the "purest" Southern Europeans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic View Post
    Irish people are purest
    Correct. They're well amongst the purest European Caucasoids, this has to do with their insular geographic location. Ireland and Great Britain are located at the northwestern end of the small European continent.
    Even Near-Eastern and North African genetic lineages are at lower levels in such populations.
    We can see by the frequency of Y-DNA Haplogroup 9 and Haplogroup 21 in various populations:
    Y-DNA Haplogroup 9 ("Semitic"):
    Cornish = 0%
    Scottish = 0%
    West Scottish = 0%
    Irish = 1%
    East English = 1%
    Norwegians = 2%
    Germans = 3%
    Dutch = 7%
    Italians = 20%
    Greeks = 28%
    Algerian = 41%
    Ashkenaz = 43%
    Palestinian Arabs = 55%
    Bedouin Arabs = 66%

    Y-DNA Haplogroup 21 ("Hamitic"):
    Cornish = 0%
    Scottish = 0%
    West Scottish = 2%
    Irish = 2%
    Norwegian = 2%
    East English = 3%
    Dutch = 8%
    Italians = 13%
    Southern Portuguese = 17%
    Sardinians = 20%
    Ashkenaz = 23%
    Greeks = 28%
    Algerians = 52%
    Other Northern Africans = 77%
    There we see that the "Phoenician" myth that was associated with the so-called "dark" Britons has no basis whatsoever. That myth is totally irrelevant. The Cornish of South-West England, whom were said to be the "darkest" in England by some anthropologists have actually the lowest levels of "Semitic" or "Hamitic" lineages in Europe! Another fact is that, despite the fact that the "typical" Cornish person is described as being "dark" and that Cornwall was the darkest-haired county in England is not true. There are English counties which are darker-haired or less blond/e than Cornwall such as Wiltshire for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Septentrion View Post
    Correct. They're well amongst the purest European Caucasoids, this has to do with their insular geographic location. Ireland and Great Britain are located at the northwestern end of the small European continent.
    Even Near-Eastern and North African genetic lineages are at lower levels in such populations.
    We can see by the frequency of Y-DNA Haplogroup 9 and Haplogroup 21 in various populations:
    Y-DNA Haplogroup 9 ("Semitic"):
    Cornish = 0%
    Scottish = 0%
    West Scottish = 0%
    Irish = 1%
    East English = 1%
    Norwegians = 2%
    Germans = 3%
    Dutch = 7%
    Italians = 20%
    Greeks = 28%
    Algerian = 41%
    Ashkenaz = 43%
    Palestinian Arabs = 55%
    Bedouin Arabs = 66%

    Y-DNA Haplogroup 21 ("Hamitic"):
    Cornish = 0%
    Scottish = 0%
    West Scottish = 2%
    Irish = 2%
    Norwegian = 2%
    East English = 3%
    Dutch = 8%
    Italians = 13%
    Southern Portuguese = 17%
    Sardinians = 20%
    Ashkenaz = 23%
    Greeks = 28%
    Algerians = 52%
    Other Northern Africans = 77%
    Isn't the purests Georgia and other countryes in the caucasus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolsonaro View Post
    Isn't the purests Georgia and other countryes in the caucasus?
    I meant purest European by the way. Populations such as the Georgians, Abkhazians, Dagestanis, etc... and people of the Caucasus have received constant admixtures from Central Asia, especially from Turkic-speaking groups, as well as relatively stable admixtures from the Southwest Asia and the Persian Gulf ("Middle-East") and even East Asian admixtures are found. So definitely not!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Septentrion View Post
    I meant purest European by the way. Populations such as the Georgians, Abkhazians, Dagestanis, etc... and people of the Caucasus have received constant admixtures from Central Asia, especially from Turkic-speaking groups, as well as relatively stable admixtures from the Southwest Asia and the Persian Gulf ("Middle-East") and even East Asian admixtures are found. So definitely not!
    At least they from caucasus don't have SSA like some Europeans have, i think

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolsonaro View Post
    At least they from caucasus don't have SSA like some Europeans have, i think
    Only Iberians and sometimes sicilians have minor ssa. Caucasus people have more non-caucasoid admixture then most europeans

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    Faroes, iceland.

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    I don't know, but Ireland must be close to it if my father is anything to go by (green dot)

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    Greeks are most likely the first Europeans as it was an entry point into Europe. I would venture to guess that there are Greeks living today who could trace a segment of their ancestry to pre-Paleolithic Europe (Neanderthals). As far as "whiteness' is concerned there was no "white" allele (from what I've read) prior to Neolithic period I believe and the first carriers of light skinned allele may have been ENF.
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    Mixed Mode Pop Sharing 69.5% South_Italian+30.5% Hungarian @ 2.56
    MDLP K 16 Single Pop Sharing Greek (Greece) 3.62
    Mixed Mode Pop Sharing: 58.3% Greek (Macedonia)+41.7% Italian (Bergamo)@ 2.5

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    Basques, Irish and Baltic nations

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