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    Defeated a Mongol tumen (10,000 men) what a major victory. LOL. And considerering the setup of Mongol army so far to the west, mercenaries, irregulars of West Asian descent fighting under Mongol commanders can hardly be called Mongol army. 8 tumens stormed Khwarezm Empire, here 1 tumen gets defeated and Mongol hating Bori calls it a turning point. Hehe.

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    Gengis Khan’s army attacking the Kwarhezm was 50k upon leaving Mongolia. When it reached the shores of Caspian, it numbered 200k. The reason was the vengeance of Tengrist Turkic tribes joining Mongols against their fellow Islamized Turks of Kwarhezm who pushed them to what’s today North Kazakhstan. Tengrism made a last, very bloody stand against Islam before disappearing, going until Baghdad and executing the Abbasid Caliph. But later Tengri faith lost against Budhism in the East.

    The Mongol army defeated by Mamluks at Ain Jalut was not in full number, since Hulagu took most of his troops and went to Mongolia for great khan Mongke’s funerals. However that was psychologically important victory for Baibars and Kutuz since Mongols were deemed having invincibility.
    Later Hulagu returned attacked with multiple tumens but he failed. And his son Abaqa too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaglakar View Post
    Tulunids were not Qipchaq. Tulun was of Toquz Oghuz descent. Name and surname Tulun and Tulum are still common in northern Xinjiang.

    But one should bear in mind that Qipchaq/Kipchak is a collective image like Scythian, or Türk in medieval ages. Initially ethnonym Qipchaq denoted a distinct people but during medieval times started carrying a collective meaning like Türk or Scythian. Qipchaks in the east were distinct from the ones in the west and did not constitute a single people or entity. Same goes for Cumans, separate stock, different people.
    Cumans were Caucasoid and most Kipchaks were. I don't think they had mongoloid elements
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    Get lost Arab fatty. Medieval Kipchak samples are tested now and it appears it was 20% EE. More or less same rate as you Arabs have SSA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Böri View Post
    Get lost Arab fatty. Medieval Kipchak samples are tested now and it appears it was 20% EE. More or less same rate as you Arabs have SSA.
    Cossacks were most likely Kipchak and they are pure caucasoid before they were slavized most Mamelukes were from the same stock as them. Anatolian mutt.
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    Mamluks in their golden age were overwhelmingly Kipchak, Turkic. Followed by Kwarhezmian (Turcoman) Turks. Mamluk State was actually founded by such a Kwarhezmian named Aybak al Turkmani. Then there were Circassian, Georgian and even some Muslim Mongolian convert Mamluks.
    Your ancestors, assimilated by Arabs from Baal-worshipping Levantine masses were peasants or camel riders when these Mamluks made Egypt greater than at Pharaoh Rameses II era.

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    Mamlukes were founded by Ayyubuid Arabized Kurds who purchased them mostly from the Mongols and many were prisoners or slaves.
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    And Ayyubids started as clients of Zangi who was Turcoman.
    When Abbasid caliph al-Mustahzir Billah started a rebellion against Great Seljuk sultan Mahmoud (grandson of Malik Shah), Turks fought many wars against Baghdad-based Arabs. Zangi who was a Turcoman general and Basra governor helped the Sultan against the Caliph.

    In one of these wars, near Mosul, Zangi was defeated by Caliphate forces. He was almost being killed through drowning. A Kurdish villager named Ayyub helped him cross and escape. Later the Caliph rebellion was put down, with Caliph being killed. Sultan gave Zengi north Syria and Mosul. that's how Zengi got his state and later followed by Ayyubids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Böri View Post
    Atatürk didnt erase anything about Seljuks and Ottomans. He succesfully erased anything that linked us to MENA culture. Even though criticized, time showed Atatürk was right. Especially after the current influxes from MENA to Turkey, people understand a lot better how Atatürk was right.
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    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...o-lost-turkey/

    As the think-tankers like to say: “Who lost Turkey?” In a nutshell: Kemal Ataturk. Since he founded post-Ottoman Turkey in his own image nearly nine decades ago, the population has increased from 14 million to more than 70 million. But that fivefold increase is not evenly distributed. The short version of Turkish demographics in the 20th century is that Rumelian Turkey - i.e., Western, European, secular, Kemalist Turkey - has been outbred by Anatolian Turkey - i.e., Eastern, rural, traditionalist, Islamic Turkey. Ataturk and most of his supporters were from Rumelia, and they imposed the modern Turkish republic on a reluctant Anatolia, where Ataturk’s distinction between the state and Islam was never accepted. Now the Anatolians don’t have to accept it. The swelling population has spilled out of its rural hinterland and into the once solidly Kemalist cities.
    If you have ballz come and discuss it you dipshit canine. Here's the thread:

    https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...Islam-not-NATO

    But you are so much of a shithead you keep becoming a constant embarrassment in every section of this forum. If you can't keep your pants up in the Turkey forum why do you bother invading other forums with nonsense? Come around in the Turkey forum to discuss about Ataturk, and everybody shall be betting that I'm gonna fuck your brains out, like every regular day around here. Don't make me chase you around every subforum and thread...

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    Turkic invasion only brought poverty, stupidity and Ignorance

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