Emirate of Crete, should Cretans rename their island?

[gültekin]

Gultekin's FTDNA myorigins result is on ftdna section of the forum.He is more Arabian than any other Turk, Cypriot or Cretan:

43% Asia Minor
17% East Middle East(Arab)
30% European
9% Northeast Asia
5% Central Asia

Yeah sure


I have 9.89 SW Asian admixture whereas Greek average is 10.10 and Cypriots have 17.72 LOL (twice as mine)

My results

Gedrosia 14.55
Siberian 5.12
Northwest_African 0.09
Southeast_Asian 1.75
Atlantic_Med 15.30
North_European 14.57
South_Asian 1.74
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 9.89
East_Asian 4.96
Caucasus 32.03
Sub_Saharan -

versus Greeks and Cypriots

[wvwvw]

Both DNA studies and historical sources confirm what we say. The Moors were not "Iberian converts" or something, they were Arab and North African conquerors, up to 20% of modern South Europeans descend from them.


Southern Europeans More African Than Thought
https://www.livescience.com/37092-so...can-genes.html

Southern Europeans get a significant portion of their genetic ancestry from North Africa, new research suggests.

"The higher level of genetic variation in Southern Europeans reflects gene flow from North Africa during historical times. We're talking about the last 2,000 years, really from the Middle Ages during which there was occupation in Spain," said study co-author Carlos Bustamante, a geneticist at Stanford University.

Substantial mixing

To untangle European ancestry, Bustamante and his colleagues compared existing DNA samples of 2,099 individuals from 43 different populations in Europe and Africa. Crucially, they included new genetic samples from North Africa and Spain.

The team found that for Southwestern Europeans (those from Italy, Spain and Greece), between 4 and 20 percent of their genomes came from North Africa, compared to less than 2 percent in Southeastern Europe.

The study also found that the apparent sub-Saharan ancestry in these populations was actually the result of North African lineage.

Except Northern Africa looked completely different then. And the people from that period were depicted as white.

[wvwvw]

This ethnic Spanish guy (Mikel Rico) has at least 50% North African admixture, look at his headshape, it is almost pure negroid.

Meanwhile in Turkey
Meet the AfroTurks






Proud Turk: Mustafa Olpak, Turkish author and activist.

[gültekin]

Meanwhile in Turkey
Meet the AfroTurks





Proud Turk: Mustafa Olpak, Turkish author and activist.

They are ethnic Africans and there are only a few thousand of them in the entire country LOL. To be honest they are peaceful people and are more welcome than Syrian refugees.

[gültekin]

Except Northern Africa looked completely different then. And the people from that period were depicted as white.

They have never been "white" lol.

[Peugeot 308]

Both DNA studies and historical sources confirm what we say. The Moors were not "Iberian converts" or something, they were Arab and North African conquerors, up to 20% of modern South Europeans descend from them.


Southern Europeans More African Than Thought
https://www.livescience.com/37092-so...can-genes.html

Southern Europeans get a significant portion of their genetic ancestry from North Africa, new research suggests.

"The higher level of genetic variation in Southern Europeans reflects gene flow from North Africa during historical times. We're talking about the last 2,000 years, really from the Middle Ages during which there was occupation in Spain," said study co-author Carlos Bustamante, a geneticist at Stanford University.

Substantial mixing

To untangle European ancestry, Bustamante and his colleagues compared existing DNA samples of 2,099 individuals from 43 different populations in Europe and Africa. Crucially, they included new genetic samples from North Africa and Spain.

The team found that for Southwestern Europeans (those from Italy, Spain and Greece), between 4 and 20 percent of their genomes came from North Africa, compared to less than 2 percent in Southeastern Europe.

The study also found that the apparent sub-Saharan ancestry in these populations was actually the result of North African lineage.

The article is wrong: in the original study only Iberians are included in the South Western European group. Greeks, Italians and Balkans are included in the South Eastern European group.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art.../figure/fig01/

[Cristiano viejo]

That was irony you fucking idiot, I was mocking your ridiculous post. Your part-SSA brain is not capable of understanding such a simple irony. You always claim that Moors were nothing more than "converted Iberians."


FACT: Arabs and Berbers beat the shit out of your people and mixed with them, I know it is hard for you to get over this fact.

It is your stupid mongrel kebab Third World SSA brain who does not understand that your claims are retarded and based in the ignorance.

The so-called Mozarabs (Christian Iberians living under Muslim domination) are the example that the vast majority of the population was native, since they constituted in the year 900 more than 75% of the total society under Muslim rule.

A few of them fled to the north under Christian domination, while others were converted to Islam, becoming Muladies.
In the year 960, Mozarabs still constituted 50% of the total society under Muslim rule.

Mozarabs + Muladies = absolute vast majority of that Muslim society.

Sources: LA GRAN AVENTURA DEL REINO DE ASTURIAS: ASI EMPEZÓ LA RECONQUISTA, of José Javier Esparza (2009).
MOROS Y CRISTIANOS, of José Javier Esparza (2010).

So yes, these Muslims who created the Emirate of Crete in the year 824 were ethnic Iberians converted into Islam.
They are called Arabs because they were Muslims, fuckin analphabet.

That is why the world considers too you Turks as Arabs, other than culturally, genetically, economically etc

[Полковник 95]

Götbebek, I plott next to Turkic North-Caucasians, like Balkars and Kumyks. Turkic people are always in my top 5 on any calculator. The purest Turk you'll ever meet in this forum.

According to your avatar you don't.

[EyeOfTheTiger]

erdogan fucked up your whole country with his islamic barbarian turkokebab-roachlike supporters, coming from the ancient mongoloid steppes of central asia, now living in tribal areas and ruining the last remain of a muslim western democracy ever existed and turning it into what its supposed to be, a reflection of its stinky fascist population. good luck with it gutlekin the turkofag.

[EyeOfTheTiger]

O sultan, Turkish devil and damned devil's kith and kin, secretary to Lucifer himself. What the devil kind of knight are you, that can't slay a hedgehog with your naked arse? The devil excretes, and your army eats. You will not, you son of a bitch, make subjects of Christian sons; we've no fear of your army, by land and by sea we will battle with thee, fuck your mother.

You Babylonian scullion, Macedonian wheelwright, brewer of Jerusalem, goat-fucker of Alexandria, swineherd of Greater and Lesser Egypt, pig of Armenia, Podolian thief, catamite of Tartary, hangman of Kamyanets, and fool of all the world and underworld, an idiot before God, grandson of the Serpent, and the crick in our dick. Pig's snout, mare's arse, slaughterhouse cur, unchristened brow, screw your own mother!

So the Zaporozhians declare, you lowlife. You won't even be herding pigs for the Christians. Now we'll conclude, for we don't know the date and don't own a calendar; the moon's in the sky, the year with the Lord, the day's the same over here as it is over there; for this kiss our arse!