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Thread: Could a mediterranean alliance be a solution to "MerkelReich"?

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    The solution is more ethno-nationalism, not artificial unions: federal Iberia, federal Italy, federal Gaul, federal Germany etc. etc. No more hatred between European folks.

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    Germans don't imagine the sufference and the silent anger of Southern Europe, but it will become a real problem for them. When the Fourth Industrial Revolution will hit weak countries, like Greece and Italy, our governments will be not able to introduce a basic income thanks to austerity and the only alternative for our rulling class will be a political repression against us. The unregulated immigration of this days is another danger, because the low-skilled workers, who work in our industry and agriculture, will lose their job and will put under pressure our welfare system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sizzo View Post
    The solution is more ethno-nationalism, not artificial unions: federal Iberia, federal Italy, federal Gaul, federal Germany etc. etc. No more hatred between European folks.
    Federalism in Portugal would make no sense though, no need to divide a nation that has not ethnic divisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viriato View Post
    Federalism in Portugal would make no sense though, no need to divide a nation that has not ethnic divisions.
    Not in Portugal man, in Iberia. Portugal is just a part of Iberia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sizzo View Post
    Not in Portugal man, in Iberia. Portugal is just a part of Iberia.
    Something like an United States of Iberia? That wouldn't be beneficial for us from an identitarian perspective.

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    My point of view is, obviously, from a foreigner: but I don't think there's a huge identitarian gap between Portugal-Galicia, Spain/Castilla, Basqueland and Catalunya.

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    Federalism is another way to increase the economic inequality between wealthy and poor regions. A nation is based on the idea of solidarity, so, if every poor region or individual is abandoned, why should we mantain a sigle state, a single army, a single money, a single goverment?

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    Britain, USA, Spain, Italy, Greece, Portugal, France should ally against Germany and its East-central, Baltic satelites.

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    The EU as it is now and its € are inherently abject failures.

    Setting up a regional mini-UE would just bring about similar problems (and probably worse).

    There is only one solution I can think of: Italexist, Grexit, Spainxit, Portuxit... Each economy with its own currency tailored to suit their own needs.

    Of course it will not be easy in the beginning:

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    We will face the real problems in our financial systems, because the Credit rating agencies will punish us, there will be a bank run and the government bonds, which belong to our banks, will fall down.
    Quite right.
    The Euro is a death trap.
    . You stay in it, you're sure to be fucked up.
    . You leave, you get a reasonable chance to start over again after some delay.
    Option 2 is the better choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teatisfilius View Post
    Federalism is another way to increase the economic inequality between wealthy and poor regions. A nation is based on the idea of solidarity, so, if every poor region or individual is abandoned, why should we mantain a sigle state, a single army, a single money, a single goverment?
    The inequality of, for example, Italy is not simply economic: at first is ethno-cultural, genetic, geographical etc. Italy is, for sure, a historical concept, born in the Roman era, but as we can see every day we are not a homogeneous country: I identify at least 6 ethnical areas, Lombardy, Venethia, Etruria, Ausonia, Enotria and Sardinia.

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