Why are Scythians still being associated with modern Europeans?

[gültekin]

Look at this thread for example: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...g-Indian-Women!

According to the creater of the topic Scythians were modern European-looking guys who invaded India and mated with brown indians. Is that really the case? I thought the myth of Scythians being modern European-like in terms of looks and genetics was debunked?


Does this Scythian from Kazakhstan look European to you?

Berel’, Kazakhstan 4th–3rd c. BCE


# Population Percent
1 Siberian_E_Asian 29.19
2 SE_Asian 21.15
3 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 16.35
4 WHG 14.17
5 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 10.65
6 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 4.57
7 Ancestral_South_Indian 3.41
8 SW_Asian 0.52

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 RISE_irRus 16.68
2 Kyrgyz 17.07
3 Altaian 19.05
4 Uygur 19.21
5 Uzbek 19.33
6 Hazara 20.12
7 RISE_irAltai 20.39
8 Turkmen_Afghan 23.78
9 RISE_baKarasuk 25.88
10 Turkmen 26.59
11 Hazara_Afghan 28.51
12 Tatars 29.72
13 Scythian_IA 36.68
14 Uzbek_Afghan 36.73
15 Tajik_Afghan 37.35
16 Ust_Ishim 40.89
17 RISE_baMezh 41.58
18 Tajik_Pomiri 43.2
19 Russian 44.72
20 Sherpa 44.82




Not even westernmost Scythians who were predominantly West Eurasian resembled modern Europeans, they were EHG/CHG-rich folk with substantial East Eurasian admixture.

Fake imaginary Scythians drawn by whg/neolithic europeans. LOL Davidski from Eurogenes made so much propaganda about Scythians being European-like that even after the discovery of real Scythian genomes people still think that they were modern European-like (whg+neolithic). No they were not you fucking idiots.



REAL SCYTHIAN
Berel’, Kazakhstan 4th–3rd c. BCE


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Siberian_E_Asian 29.19
2 SE_Asian 21.15
3 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 16.35
4 WHG 14.17
5 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 10.65
6 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 4.57
7 Ancestral_South_Indian 3.41
8 SW_Asian 0.52

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 RISE_irRus 16.68
2 Kyrgyz 17.07
3 Altaian 19.05
4 Uygur 19.21
5 Uzbek 19.33
6 Hazara 20.12
7 RISE_irAltai 20.39
8 Turkmen_Afghan 23.78
9 RISE_baKarasuk 25.88
10 Turkmen 26.59
11 Hazara_Afghan 28.51
12 Tatars 29.72
13 Scythian_IA 36.68
14 Uzbek_Afghan 36.73
15 Tajik_Afghan 37.35
16 Ust_Ishim 40.89
17 RISE_baMezh 41.58
18 Tajik_Pomiri 43.2
19 Russian 44.72
20 Sherpa 44.82

[Kamal900]

Depends on the individual Scythian. The Scythians in Europe were definitely genetically very eastern European while those in Asia have significant east-Eurasian mongoloid admixture in them, especially the ones in Siberia. The Scythians were a diverse Iranic people, and being one has nothing to do with genetics or race whatsoever.

[gültekin]

The Scythians in Europe were definitely genetically very eastern European.

Not true. Here are their Gedmatch IDs, you can check their results. Modern component based calculators should not be used when running these ancient genomes though, calculators with ancient components (EHG, WHG, CHG, neolithic etc) should be used.

T265461
M362842
M837055
M446756
M456377
T866391


Western Scythian from Volga doesn't look "East European" either. The closest modern population is Tatars (notice the distance is 20.23 which means not "close" at all). They were a distinct population with substantial EHG, CHG and East Eurasian admixture, Western Scythians did not resemble any East European population either, not even Tatars who are the closest modern population resemble them.


Scythian_IA (Western Scythian)
# Population Percent
1 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 30.91
2 WHG 30.21
3 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 19.85
4 SE_Asian 7.85
5 Siberian_E_Asian 4.92
6 SW_Asian 3.07
7 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 2.47
8 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.73

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Scythian_IA 0.06
2 RISE_baMezh 18.37
3 Srubnaya 19.5
4 Tatars 20.23
5 RISE_baAndrov 21.12
6 RISE_baUne 22.15
7 RISE_baSin 22.38
8 Russian 24.8
9 RISE_irAltai 25.33
10 RISE_baBb 26.61
11 Ukrainian 27.28
12 Norwegian 28.18
13 Finnish 28.29
14 RISE_baSca 28.48
15 Belarusian 28.52
16 Karelia 28.55
17 Scottish 28.67
18 Czech 29.48
19 Hungarian 29.55
20 Estonian 29.62

[Lollipop]

The scythians were fully europoid originally, but they traveled the whole Eurasia and mixed with natives.

Early physical analyses have unanimously concluded that the Scythians, even those in the east (e.g. the Pazyryk region), possessed predominantly "Europid" features, although mixed 'Euro-mongoloid" phenotypes also occur, depending on site and period.[129]

[Kamal900]

Not true. Here are their Gedmatch IDs, you can check their results. Modern calculators should not be used when running these ancient genomes though, calculators with ancient components should be used.

T265461
M362842
M837055
M446756
M456377
T866391


Western Scythian from Volga doesn't look "East European" either. The closest modern population is Tatars (notice the distance is 20.23 which means not "close" at all). They were a distinct population with substantial EHG, CHG and East Eurasian admixture, they did not resemble any East European population, not even Tatars who are the closest modern population resemble them.


Scythian_IA
# Population Percent
1 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 30.91
2 WHG 30.21
3 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 19.85
4 SE_Asian 7.85
5 Siberian_E_Asian 4.92
6 SW_Asian 3.07
7 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 2.47
8 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.73

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Scythian_IA 0.06
2 RISE_baMezh 18.37
3 Srubnaya 19.5
4 Tatars 20.23
5 RISE_baAndrov 21.12
6 RISE_baUne 22.15
7 RISE_baSin 22.38
8 Russian 24.8
9 RISE_irAltai 25.33
10 RISE_baBb 26.61
11 Ukrainian 27.28
12 Norwegian 28.18
13 Finnish 28.29
14 RISE_baSca 28.48
15 Belarusian 28.52
16 Karelia 28.55
17 Scottish 28.67
18 Czech 29.48
19 Hungarian 29.55
20 Estonian 29.62

I would say that these ancient Scythains originated somewhere in North or Central Asia, and they are indeed closely related to the modern day Tatars and other Volga Turkic peoples due on the fact that these people are a mix between native Finno-Ugric peoples, later Turkic tribes and some Slavs in the mix, and they cluster the closest to other peoples of the Volga. Maybe they were racially very similar to the modern day peoples of central Asia like Uzbeks and whatnot or Turanid.

[gültekin]

The scythians were fully europoid originally, but they traveled the whole Eurasia and mixed with natives.

That quote predates the discovery of Pazyryk Scythian genomes, an outdated bullshit. What the fuck does "fully europid" even mean? Yamnaya was fully West Eurasians (aka "europid" in your vocabulary) but they did not resemble modern European either, they were 1/2 EHG 1/2 CHG.


Pazyryk Scythians were predominantly East Eurasian, lol at "possessed predominantly "Europid" features". We have their genomes now so you can stick that quote up your ass.

Pazyryk Scythian 1: T265461
Pazyryk Scythian 2: M362842


Look how "europid" they are. Not even their West Eurasian components (such as Caucasus_HG and Eastern_HG) are typical European components LOL.

Pazyryk Scythian 1
# Population (source) Distance
1 RISE_irRus 16.68
2 Kyrgyz 17.07
3 Altaian 19.05
4 Uygur 19.21
5 Uzbek 19.33
6 Hazara 20.12
7 RISE_irAltai 20.39
8 Turkmen_Afghan 23.78
9 RISE_baKarasuk 25.88
10 Turkmen 26.59
11 Hazara_Afghan 28.51
12 Tatars 29.72
13 Scythian_IA 36.68
14 Uzbek_Afghan 36.73
15 Tajik_Afghan 37.35
16 Ust_Ishim 40.89
17 RISE_baMezh 41.58
18 Tajik_Pomiri 43.2
19 Russian 44.72
20 Sherpa 44.82


Pazyryk Scythian 2:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Siberian_E_Asian 34.85
2 SE_Asian 30.13
3 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 16.06
4 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 10.73
5 WHG 7.79
6 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 0.45

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kyrgyz 10.65
2 Altaian 10.91
3 RISE_irRus 14.37
4 Uygur 20.83
5 Hazara 22.18
6 Uzbek 26.66
7 RISE_irAltai 29.5
8 Turkmen_Afghan 32.23
9 Hazara_Afghan 34.14
10 Turkmen 34.3
11 RISE_baKarasuk 34.67
12 Ulchi 35.42
13 Mongola 37.95
14 Sherpa 38.73
15 Tatars 42.03
16 Tibet-refugees 42.36
17 Uzbek_Afghan 44.1
18 Tajik_Afghan 44.48
19 Kusunda 45.09
20 Scythian_IA 47.13

[Lollipop]

That quote is before the discovery of Pazyryk Scythian genomes, an outdated bullshit. What the fuck does "fully europid" even mean? Yamnaya was fully West Eurasian but they did not resemble modern European either, they were 1/2 EHG 1/2 CHG.


Pazyryk Scythians were predominantly East Eurasian, lol at "possessed predominantly "Europid" features". We have their genomes now so they can lie as much as they want.

Pazyryk Scythian 1: T265461
Pazyryk Scythian 2: M362842


Look how "europid" they are. Not even their West Eurasian components (such as Caucasus_HG and Eastern_HG) are typical European components LOL.

Pazyryk Scythian 1
# Population (source) Distance
1 RISE_irRus 16.68
2 Kyrgyz 17.07
3 Altaian 19.05
4 Uygur 19.21
5 Uzbek 19.33
6 Hazara 20.12
7 RISE_irAltai 20.39
8 Turkmen_Afghan 23.78
9 RISE_baKarasuk 25.88
10 Turkmen 26.59
11 Hazara_Afghan 28.51
12 Tatars 29.72
13 Scythian_IA 36.68
14 Uzbek_Afghan 36.73
15 Tajik_Afghan 37.35
16 Ust_Ishim 40.89
17 RISE_baMezh 41.58
18 Tajik_Pomiri 43.2
19 Russian 44.72
20 Sherpa 44.82


Pazyryk Scythian 2:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Siberian_E_Asian 34.85
2 SE_Asian 30.13
3 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 16.06
4 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 10.73
5 WHG 7.79
6 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 0.45

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kyrgyz 10.65
2 Altaian 10.91
3 RISE_irRus 14.37
4 Uygur 20.83
5 Hazara 22.18
6 Uzbek 26.66
7 RISE_irAltai 29.5
8 Turkmen_Afghan 32.23
9 Hazara_Afghan 34.14
10 Turkmen 34.3
11 RISE_baKarasuk 34.67
12 Ulchi 35.42
13 Mongola 37.95
14 Sherpa 38.73
15 Tatars 42.03
16 Tibet-refugees 42.36
17 Uzbek_Afghan 44.1
18 Tajik_Afghan 44.48
19 Kusunda 45.09
20 Scythian_IA 47.13

Pazyrik were not scythian, but culturally scythian.They were out of Scythian urheimat,they were mixed.From Scythians, we have their skulls, their physical description from writtings or statues made by them.
You are a turk, a mixed mongrel of greeks with arabs and iranians with identity problems.

https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-VI5.htm

We have seen that the Scythians and Sarmatians, although they undoubtedly included in their ranks many individuals of different political affiliations, formed nevertheless a quite constant principal racial type, which was essentially Iranian and a form of Nordic. In its characteristic low vault, as in other dimensions, it specifically resembled the earlier eastern European and central Asiatic Nordic form. It was essentially a member of the racial cluster associated with the spread of Satem Indo-European speech in both eastern Europe and Asia.

n artworks, the Scythians are portrayed exhibiting European traits.[130] In Histories, the 5th-century Greek historian Herodotus describes the Budini of Scythia as red-haired and grey-eyed.[130] In the 5th century BC, Greek physician Hippocrates argued that the Scythians have purron (ruddy) skin.[130][131] In the 3rd century BC, the Greek poet Callimachus described the Arismapes (Arimaspi) of Scythia as fair-haired.[130][132] The 2nd century BC Han Chinese envoy Zhang Qian described the Sai (Scythians) as having yellow (probably meaning hazel or green), and blue eyes.[130] In Natural History, the 1st century AD Roman author Pliny the Elder characterizes the Seres, sometimes identified as Iranians (Scythians) or Tocharians, as red-haired and blue-eyed.[130][133] In the late 2nd century AD, the Christian theologian Clement of Alexandria says that the Scythians are fair-haired.[130][134] The 2nd century Greek philosopher Polemon includes the Scythians among the northern peoples characterized by red hair and blue-grey eyes.[130] In the late 2nd or early 3rd century AD, the Greek physician Galen declares that Sarmatians, Scythians and other northern peoples have reddish hair.[130][135] The fourth-century Roman historian Ammianus Marcellinus wrote that the Alans, a people closely related to the Scythians, were tall, blond and light-eyed.[136] The 4th century bishop of Nyssa Gregory of Nyssa wrote that the Scythians were fair skinned and blond haired.[137] The 5th-century physician Adamantius, who often follow Polemon, describes the Scythians are fair-haired.[130][138] It is

[Lollipop]

Scythian man from Nikopol reconstruction.

[Loki]

Because they're our ancestors.

[Purohit ji]

nice info