Why are Scythians still being associated with modern Europeans?

[Kelmendasi]

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What it comes to U5, I think it was related to Mari people. However, H was more original or more common. Mari people had their mtDNA sampled for this study. 40.4% of these Mari belong to the mtDNA haplogroup H. Next most common is U5, found in 14% of the sample.http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/maris.html

Interestingly, Basques have a portion of U5 as well, and their culture was related somehow with Mari people. They have for example a legend of Mari Urraka, goddess living on the mountains. But their Y-DNA is solely R1b, which is not common among Aryan-Sakas and other related tribes. (Original Caucasoid) Maris established a Sumerian culture in Mesopotamia, at that time being totally without a Mongoloid admixture. Their Y-DNA was R1a, with Caucasoid mtDNA:s. Priestly Maris of Ur established the Old Kingdom in Egypt, as I wrote previously. This is important, because they coordinated and established metal cultures and mines all around, expanding rapidly even to Asia. However, there were also earlier (Euripid) mines in Asia, colonies sent by Sumerian kings. I think these were related to Corded Ware or to people related with Maris of Sumeria.


In any case, Mongoloid admixture is later among Scythians etc. and by no means, not any founding group. Mongoloid N1c and other third world nomads try to steel original Scythians` and other original Finno-Ugric or Finno-Aryan people´s heritage, including language. Finnish Mongoloids explain fanatically that they are "original Finno-Ugrics", which is total crap.

U5 is a Paleolithic mtDNA common throughout Europe among the WHG peoples, it isn't linked to the Mari or any modern population in it's original expansion into Europe. It is just a remnant from the Paleolithic populations of Europe. The Basque and the Mari are two completely separate peoples from two completely different areas of Europe. Just because the Basque have a goddess called "Mari" it doesn't mean that it is linked to the Mari people, similarities between words aren't meaningful unless they share the same etymology. Same goes for the Sumerians and Egyptians, two separate people groups from the Finno-Ugric Mari. Sumerian Ydna is highly unlikely to have been R1a.

[Windy]

The Basque and the Mari are two completely separate peoples from two completely different areas of Europe. Just because the Basque have a goddess called "Mari" it doesn't mean that it is linked to the Mari people, similarities between words aren't meaningful unless they share the same etymology. Same goes for the Sumerians and Egyptians, two separate people groups from the Finno-Ugric Mari. Sumerian Ydna is highly unlikely to have been R1a.

There were aboriginal J and possibly E- groups in Mesopotamia already before the new R1a-Mari settlers in the beginning of the agriculture. R1a-Maris cooperated with the Mesopotamian or Mediterranean J, and their burial site has been found in Karelia, Lake Onega (Äänisjärvi). They brought cultivation of buckwheat Fagopyrum esculentumto Finland. There has been found also rests of pollen of buckwheat in Eastern Finland, from the same time that R1a and J lived in Karelia. This J has been found also among modern Koltta Sami in Russia.

I0061 Karelia_HG Russian Mesolithic EHG Yuzhnyy Oleni Ostrov, Karelia, Russia; UzOO74, grave 142, MAE RAS 5773-74 5500-5000 BCE Russia M C1g (formerly C1f) R1a1
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Abstract

We generated genome-wide data from 69 Europeans who lived between 8,000-3,000 years ago by enriching ancient DNA libraries for a target set of almost four hundred thousand polymorphisms. Enrichment of these positions decreases the sequencing required for genome-wide ancient DNA analysis by a median of around 250-fold, allowing us to study an order of magnitude more individuals than previous studies and to obtain new insights about the past. We show that the populations of western and far eastern Europe followed opposite trajectories between 8,000-5,000 years ago.
At the beginning of the Neolithic period in Europe, ~8,000-7,000 years ago, closely related groups of early farmers appeared in Germany, Hungary, and Spain, different from indigenous hunter-gatherers, whereas Russia was inhabited by a distinctive population of hunter-gatherers with high affinity to a ~24,000 year old Siberian6.
By ~6,000-5,000 years ago, a resurgence of hunter-gatherer ancestry had occurred throughout much of Europe, but in Russia, the Yamnaya steppe herders of this time were descended not only from the preceding eastern European hunter-gatherers, but from a population of Near Eastern ancestry.
Western and Eastern Europe came into contact ~4,500 years ago, as the Late Neolithic Corded Ware people from Germany traced ~3/4 of their ancestry to the Yamnaya, documenting a massive migration into the heartland of Europe from its eastern periphery.
This steppe ancestry persisted in all sampled central Europeans until at least ~3,000 years ago, and is ubiquitous in present-day Europeans. These results provide support for the theory of a steppe origin of at least some of the Indo-European languages of Europe.

However, these R1a were NOT IE-speaking, but Finno-Ugric. R1a of the CW Culture was also Finno-Ugric. They brought agriculture, especially slash- and- beat in Europe. Etymology of SaB is also Finno-Ugric, for example German Hachwaldwirtscha is old Finnish- hakkaavalt virtsa, which means "fertilizer from a beater". Virtsa meant fertilizer in old times, but nowadays it means piss. Hakkaava = beating, hakkaavalt= from the beater.

I don´t understand IE- populations´or Mongoloids´fanatic attitude list also ancient R1a- agricultors as "IE-populations", despite of many evidences their being FINNO-UGRIC.

[Kelmendasi]

There were aboriginal J and possibly E- groups in Mesopotamia already before the new R1a-Mari settlers in the beginning of the agriculture. R1a-Maris cooperated with the Mesopotamian or Mediterranean J, and their burial site has been found in Karelia, Lake Onega (Äänisjärvi). They brought cultivation of buckwheat Fagopyrum esculentumto Finland. There has been found also rests of pollen of buckwheat in Eastern Finland, from the same time that R1a and J lived in Karelia. This J has been found also among modern Koltta Sami in Russia.



However, these R1a were NOT IE-speaking, but Finno-Ugric.

Lol, the Mari didn't settle in Mesopotamia, they didn't even exist back then. None of the Finno-Ugric speaking peoples settled the region. The samples from Karelia are just native EHG from the area, nothing to do with Sumerians or any other Mesopotamian culture who were just a mix of native west Asian groups such as CHG and ENF. The J1 found in a Mesolithic Karelian sample has nothing to do with Mesopotamia, it is probably just from CHG contact that the EHG had.

[Leto]

Windy is either an extremely delusional person with completely skewed views or simply a troll.

[black hole]

Windy is either an extremely delusional person with completely skewed views or simply a troll.

I guess she is Finnish Swede, the girl from Finland.

[Windy]

However, many of the leading and respected historians and linguists like Jules Oppert, Professor of Oriental Studies in Oxford Archibald, H. Sayce, A. H.Layard, Francis Lenormant, Delitzs, Henry C. Rawlinson and Finnish asyrologist Simo Parpola have come to the conclusion, that Sumerian was Finno-Ugric language. On the other hand, many Hungrian linguists have noticed a deep grammatic and lexical relation between Hungrian and Sumerian languages.

So, ignoring all of this and stating against all the evidences is simply retard and maybe politically colored disinformation.

Sumerian people and also those ruling Ancient Egypt called themselves Mari or Meri, you wanted or not. AND they were ancestors of Aryan Finnic people, including Saka-Scythians. Their later language shift does not wash away the original language spoken by them and their gene pool, even if mixed with mongrels later.

The J1 found in a Mesolithic Karelian sample has nothing to do with Mesopotamia, it is probably just from CHG contact that the EHG had.

Bullshit. What if you stay with your Albanian history, without mongrelling with Saka people´s history...

There are also a lot of megaliths and other evidences of an advanced, Aryan or Proto-Aryan culture(s) in Siberia and Ural, from the period long before Mongoloids in those regions. All of this is censored in mainstream history writing. Why? Because all kind of HG- populations try to louse with Proto/Sumerian -Aryan cultures and genetics.

[Kelmendasi]

However, many of the leading and respected historians and linguists like Jules Oppert, Professor of Oriental Studies in Oxford Archibald, H. Sayce, A. H.Layard, Francis Lenormant, Delitzs, Henry C. Rawlinson and Finnish asyrologist Simo Parpola have come to the conclusion, that Sumerian was Finno-Ugric language. On the other hand, many Hungrian linguists have noticed a deep grammatic and lexical relation between Hungrian and Sumerian languages.

So, ignoring all of this and stating against all the evidences is simply retard and maybe politically colored disinformation.

Sumerian people and also those ruling Ancient Egypt called themselves Mari or Meri, you wanted or not. AND they were ancestors of Aryan Finnic people, including Saka-Scythians.

. The Sumerian language had nothing to do with Finno-Ugric, a language group which at this time was most probably secluded to the northern areas of Russia and surrounding areas. Nothing to do with old Mesopotamian cultures. Every credible linguist has placed Sumerian as a language isolate, in other words, not Finno-Ugric. Please stop kidding yourself.

[Ryuk]

However, many of the leading and respected historians and linguists like Jules Oppert, Professor of Oriental Studies in Oxford Archibald, H. Sayce, A. H.Layard, Francis Lenormant, Delitzs, Henry C. Rawlinson and Finnish asyrologist Simo Parpola have come to the conclusion, that Sumerian was Finno-Ugric language. On the other hand, many Hungrian linguists have noticed a deep grammatic and lexical relation between Hungrian and Sumerian languages.

So, ignoring all of this and stating against all the evidences is simply retard and maybe politically colored disinformation.

Sumerian people and also those ruling Ancient Egypt called themselves Mari or Meri, you wanted or not. AND they were ancestors of Aryan Finnic people, including Saka-Scythians.

I haven't seen the Middle Eastern cultures classify as finno-ugric, except for the Hungarian extreme fantastic nationalists.

Besides, Sumerians wouldn't call themselves mari.They called themselves "sag giga"(blackhead )

http://www.wikizeroo.net/m/index.php...d2lraS9TdW1lcg

The term Sumerian is the common name given to the ancient non-Semitic-speaking inhabitants of Mesopotamia by the East Semitic-speaking Akkadians. The Sumerians referred to themselves as ùĝ saĝ gíg ga (cuneiform: �� �� �� ��), phonetically /uŋ saŋ gi ga/, literally meaning "the black-headed people", and to their land as ki-en-gi(-r) (cuneiform: ������) ('place' + 'lords' + 'noble'), meaning "place of the noble lords".[16] The Akkadian word Shumer may represent the geographical name in dialect, but the phonological development leading to the Akkadian term šumerû is uncertain.[17] Hebrew Shinar, Egyptian Sngr, and Hittite Šanhar(a), all referring to southern Mesopotamia, could be western variants of Shumer.[17]

[Kelmendasi]

Bullshit. What if you stay with your Albanian history, without mongrelling with Saka people´s history...

Muh Saka people. Don't kid yourself, you lot aren't even related to the Scythians. Completely different language families my friend

[Wrong]

. The Sumerian language had nothing to do with Finno-Ugric, a language group which at this time was most probably secluded to the northern areas of Russia and surrounding areas. Nothing to do with old Mesopotamian cultures. Every credible linguist has placed Sumerian as a language isolate, in other words, not Finno-Ugric. Please stop kidding yourself.

Lmao. It is like the Hungarian nationalists propagating the Sumerian origin of Magyars: