Why are Scythians still being associated with modern Europeans?

[Ajeje Brazorf]

I recommend using my previous clusters not the macro-clusters which are too unspecific.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...47#post7491347

CLUSTER-A_(N=1),0.039838,-0.406212,0.092772,-0.025194,-0.087401,-0.046296,0.019976,0.016153,0.004704,0.009841,-0.012666,0.00015,-0.01115,0.000138,-0.001764,-0.006099,-0.001043,-0.000127,-0.001885,0.007754,-0.01959,0.006183,-0.019227,-0.002289,-0.002155
CLUSTER-B_(N=1),0.037562,-0.369653,0.061471,-0.019703,-0.038161,-0.031236,0.015746,0.021691,0.003272,0.005103,-0.039623,-3E-04,0.000743,-0.003716,-0.000679,0.004375,-0.007953,-0.004434,-0.002263,0.001751,-0.013476,0.004451,-0.010106,-0.003494,0.009939
CLUSTER-C_(N=1),0.052359,-0.226463,0.048649,-0.015504,-0.044008,-0.013387,0.018096,0.027691,-0.000614,0.00328,-0.019487,0.008393,-0.003419,-0.00055,0.013708,-0.001458,-0.007562,0.010008,0.00993,0.023261,-0.009358,-0.006801,-0.021938,-0.003976,-0.004311
CLUSTER-D_(N=1),0.079676,-0.118817,0.031678,0.012597,-0.031083,0.000279,0.011986,0.010153,-0.024338,-0.020228,-0.011854,-0.001798,0.007284,-0.008808,0.006243,0.00769,-0.014342,0.001014,0.005405,0.003627,-0.017469,-0.002349,-0.003574,-0.006025,0.002634
CLUSTER-E_(N=13),0.0826532,-0.1113957,0.0570322,0.0460399,-0.0383265,0.0059641,0.0008315,0.0013314,-0.0125703,-0.0214198,-0.0121415,-0.0008069,0.0026646,-0.0228559,0.0148561,0.0087407,-0.0011634,-0.0019782,-0.0008122,0.0071957,-0.0195232,0.0030153,-0.0037828,0.003068,0.0002209
CLUSTER-F_(N=4),0.0899203,-0.0627092,0.0379005,0.0399712,-0.0397765,0.0097615,0.0055228,-0.0021345,-0.0164128,-0.0184057,-0.0070638,0.001124,-0.0008177,-0.021538,0.0121132,0.0133255,0.0032598,-0.0009505,0.0064105,-0.0006255,-0.018124,-0.000742,0.0073642,0.0068985,0.0024548
CLUSTER-G_(N=11),0.0915758,-0.0294504,0.0297581,0.0504467,-0.0424694,0.0126769,0.0009827,0.0012167,-0.0221816,-0.0307151,-0.0078095,-0.0004224,0.0022705,-0.0177534,0.0193834,0.0066897,-0.0076215,-0.0010482,0.0016914,0.0003296,-0.0139979,0.0003935,0.0006163,0.0001425,-0.0043545
CLUSTER-H_(N=5),0.1008472,0.0067026,0.0155374,0.0466412,-0.0363758,0.0141118,0.004042,0.002723,-0.0321512,-0.0320372,-0.0077622,0.0002396,2E-07,-0.026451,0.0170194,0.0151418,0.0023468,-0.0015708,0.0014078,-0.002026,-0.0072874,-0.0017558,7.4E-05,0.0025304,0.0015088
CLUSTER-I_(N=2),0.1115465,0.015233,0.051477,0.0705755,-0.027697,0.0206375,-0.004465,-0.001846,-0.030372,-0.0276085,-0.00747,0.0001495,-0.0032705,-0.0152075,0.018933,0.0102095,-0.0007825,0.005511,-0.002828,-0.001376,-0.007674,-0.000989,0.008935,0.0015065,0.0034125
CLUSTER-J_(N=4),0.0987412,0.0540768,-0.0019798,0.0418285,-0.0400072,0.016315,0.004465,-0.002077,-0.0357915,-0.0319368,-0.0007307,-0.003185,0.0007435,-0.0137278,0.0259225,0.006298,-0.0146682,0.0012988,-0.0040222,-0.0063155,-0.0093898,-0.003926,-0.003944,-0.0004518,-0.0039517
CLUSTER-K_(N=1),0.102441,0.036559,0.051666,0.065892,-0.033545,0.014502,-0.00376,-0.001846,-0.012067,-0.0277,-0.00406,-0.019333,0.014271,-0.004679,0.010858,0.006895,-0.004172,0.000507,0.008422,-0.018134,-0.007986,-0.012365,-0.014913,0.002892,-0.016645
CLUSTER-L_(N=35),0.1097579,0.0507765,0.031592,0.0640186,-0.0262025,0.0253393,0.0013832,-0.0004153,-0.0270321,-0.0346561,-0.0023708,0.0002184,-0.0013209,-0.0221847,0.0198617,0.0142781,-0.0008903,0.0007131,-0.0016161,0.0010183,-0.0086953,0.0030631,0.0006691,0.005116,-0.0009682
CLUSTER-M_(N=2),0.107563,0.058901,0.039975,0.068799,-0.013541,0.0308175,0.0034075,0.0104995,-0.023111,-0.0357185,-0.0085255,0.000225,0.0049805,-0.015689,0.0335225,0.0057675,-0.0320745,0.0095015,0.0014455,-0.0092545,-0.0141625,0.0046985,-0.004314,-0.001747,-0.0015565
CLUSTER-N_(N=1),0.1161,0.066009,0.042992,0.097869,-0.028005,0.02259,-0.001175,-0.003692,-0.037428,-0.056311,0.003085,-0.005545,0.001933,-0.032754,0.023344,0.019093,0.007041,-0.009248,0,-0.00025,-0.006489,-0.004822,-0.001479,0.008796,-0.005868
CLUSTER-O_(N=1),0.12862,0.105615,0.041106,0.08075,0.004924,0.023427,0.016921,-0.006923,-0.015953,-0.05212,0.002923,-0.006444,0.0055,-0.020643,0.031623,0.017104,0.006519,0.005448,0.002011,0.012881,-0.009982,0.000124,0.00037,0.017111,-0.010418
CLUSTER-P_(N=2),0.108701,0.0634705,0.0379005,0.0599165,-0.0018465,0.014084,0.0019975,0.0095765,-0.015237,-0.0256045,0.005034,0.0003745,-0.0050545,-0.010872,0.017508,0.00948,0.004303,0.0125425,-0.011187,0.003439,-0.000936,-0.001669,0.003821,0.0158455,-0.005987
CLUSTER-Q_(N=1),0.10927,0.081242,0.028661,0.050065,-0.00677,0.014781,0.013631,0.011769,-0.011658,-0.008018,-0.021598,-0.01109,0.015907,-0.009771,0.003664,0.004773,-0.005476,0.002534,-0.006913,0.007754,-0.018717,-0.009892,-0.008997,-0.004217,0.007784
CLUSTER-R_(N=2),0.1069935,0.0685485,0.0294155,0.0321385,-0.006463,0.011574,0.00376,-0.0077305,-0.012783,-0.0204105,-0.0064955,0.003297,-0.0173935,-0.0044035,0.0055645,-0.004574,-0.008214,0.0043075,0.0006285,0.003752,-0.0101075,-0.0090885,0.0051765,0.001024,-0.0049695
CLUSTER-S_(N=7),0.1195141,0.0950246,0.0334021,0.0267629,0.0036489,0.0065339,0.0023836,-0.0006263,-0.0114243,-0.0043216,9.27E-05,0.0008134,-0.0037589,-0.0064289,0.0043239,0.0020076,-0.0009499,0.0012309,0.0069314,1.77E-05,-0.0075403,0.0006359,0.0017256,0.0001377,-0.0024464
CLUSTER-T_(N=1),0.1161,0.116786,0.064111,0.057494,0.015387,0.010319,-0.00329,0.001615,-0.011862,-0.027882,0.001624,0.001649,0.008474,0.004129,-0.002579,-0.002917,-0.019166,-0.007348,0.015712,-0.001501,0.006114,0.003586,0.006779,-0.000241,0.004311
CLUSTER-U_(N=1),0.135449,0.120848,0.046386,0.065569,0.035699,0.01004,0.012221,0.024922,-0.005113,-0.024602,-0.004384,-0.005245,0.025124,0.007707,-0.017644,-0.002784,0.021513,0.004687,0.010559,0.015257,0.000998,0.00507,0.013434,0.001205,-0.008742
CLUSTER-V_(N=17),0.1267454,0.1323772,0.0441231,0.020292,0.032205,0.0057418,0.0017141,0.0025791,0.0038498,0.0075468,-0.0002483,0.0047428,-0.0063924,-0.0015382,-0.0035368,-0.0009749,0.0011734,0.0012296,0.0049391,-0.0020892,-0.0041692,0.0003493,0.0011165,-0.0018855,-0.0020779
CLUSTER-W_(N=12),0.1291892,0.137181,0.0672532,0.0461621,0.0434439,0.0154785,0.0034859,0.0073842,0.0065107,-0.0024298,-0.0011098,-0.0016485,0.0012017,0.0004588,-0.0004072,0.0110048,0.0090183,-0.0010769,0.0045986,0.0048772,0.0041906,0.0003813,-0.0003288,-0.0080131,-0.0001896
CLUSTER-X_(N=1),0.129758,0.141159,0.09692,0.069122,0.069551,0.018965,0.010575,0.012923,0.031292,0.007472,-0.002923,-0.017085,0.021704,0.023121,-0.024837,0.006099,0.009648,-0.003421,0.000251,0.01138,0.012228,0.005688,-0.012571,-0.043259,0
CLUSTER-Y_(N=7),0.1230914,0.1411584,0.0206337,-0.0205797,0.0223336,-0.0090041,0.0028537,-0.0025711,0.0035647,0.0297827,0.0009513,0.0048813,-0.0100879,-0.0018481,-0.0116139,-0.0030117,0.008419,0.002769,0.0073624,-0.0039481,-0.0096616,0.0066773,-0.0011621,0.0036666,-0.0020699

Distances to me

Distance to:	Ajeje_Brazorf_scaled
0.05034336	CLUSTER-Y_(N=7)
0.09713580	CLUSTER-V_(N=17)
0.11322644	CLUSTER-S_(N=7)
0.13655740	CLUSTER-W_(N=12)
0.13787083	CLUSTER-R_(N=2)
0.14717422	CLUSTER-Q_(N=1)
0.15146336	CLUSTER-T_(N=1)
0.15864392	CLUSTER-U_(N=1)
0.16541065	CLUSTER-P_(N=2)
0.16911699	CLUSTER-J_(N=4)
0.18234100	CLUSTER-O_(N=1)
0.18413896	CLUSTER-L_(N=35)
0.18920876	CLUSTER-M_(N=2)
0.19029122	CLUSTER-X_(N=1)
0.19635233	CLUSTER-K_(N=1)
0.20020101	CLUSTER-H_(N=5)
0.21135542	CLUSTER-I_(N=2)
0.21412441	CLUSTER-N_(N=1)
0.23049032	CLUSTER-G_(N=11)
0.25053083	CLUSTER-F_(N=4)
0.29108344	CLUSTER-D_(N=1)
0.29886592	CLUSTER-E_(N=13)
0.39476988	CLUSTER-C_(N=1)
0.53444335	CLUSTER-B_(N=1)
0.58015804	CLUSTER-A_(N=1)

[Oturan Boğa]

Target: OturanBoga_scaled
Distance: 5.2114% / 0.05211356
54.0 CLUSTER-Y_(N=7)
29.8 CLUSTER-J_(N=4)
16.2 CLUSTER-C_(N=1)

With my Anatolian farmer subtracted coordinates

Target: OturanBoga_Test
Distance: 14.3081% / 0.14308090
55.0 CLUSTER-K_(N=1)
43.4 CLUSTER-A_(N=1)
1.6 CLUSTER-N_(N=1)

[Ritz06]

Target:
Distance: 3.1963% / 0.03196287
68.8 CLUSTER-C_(N=8)
31.2 CLUSTER-D_(N=5)


Target:
Distance: 2.3319% / 0.02331947
42.6 CLUSTER-Y_(N=7)
42.2 CLUSTER-J_(N=4)
8.8 CLUSTER-V_(N=17)
5.8 CLUSTER-W_(N=12)
0.6 CLUSTER-O_(N=1)

[Ritz06]

Target:
Distance: 2.0232% / 0.02023168
50.6 Cluster-Y
35.8 Cluster-J
8.8 Cluster-W
2.8 Cluster-H
1.6 Cluster-L
0.4 Cluster-S

Target:
Distance: 2.0231% / 0.02023149
26.2 Cluster-Y:Scythian_MDA:scy305
16.4 Cluster-Y:HUN_Sarmatian_Late_Transtisza:A181027
15.6 Cluster-J:Sarmatian_KAZA30
14.0 Cluster-J:Saka_Tian_Shan_oA53
8.0 Cluster-Y:Scythian_MDA:scy197
7.0 Cluster-W:Scythian_HUN:I20766
6.2 Cluster-J:RUS_Late_Xiongnu_Sarmatian:BUR002
2.8 Cluster-H:RUS_Late_Xiongnu_Sarmatian:NAI001
1.6 Cluster-L:RUS_Late_Xiongnu_SarmatianUU001
1.6 Cluster-W:HUN_Sarmatian_Late_Danube-Tisza:A181018
0.6 Cluster-S:Scythian_MDA:scy311

[Wilfredtheslayer]

Closest matching populations to ancient Scythians:
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[Leto]

Pamiri Saka

Age: Iron Age/Early Antiquity
Genetic Group: Saka
Period: 2500-2300 BP

The Saka were an Iranic people closely related to the Scytho-Sarmatians. They were formed as a result of a mix between Sintashta, BMAC and East Siberian people. The Pamiri Saka in particular were characterized by very strongly defined Caucasoid features, such as this specimen who had a very strong, protruding nose bridge and a long, narrow face.

https://ancestralwhispers.org/reconstructions/saka

Tagar

Age: Late Bronze Age
Genetic Group: Tagar
Period: 2900–2800 BP

The people of the Tagar culture largely descent from the Andronovo horizon, with a small amount of their ancestry being derived from Siberians. The Tagarians were likely Iranic speakers, though Siberian and Uralic influences were also postulated by anthropologists and linguists.

https://ancestralwhispers.org/reconstructions/tagar

[Roy]

There are no pure Scythian descendants that would perfectly match their genetic signature but they have left a lot of genetics in modern Europeans.

[Dick]

There are no pure Scythian descendants that would perfectly match their genetic signature but they have left a lot of genetics in modern Europeans.

The term Scythian is a broad one. Everyone north of ancient Greece were considered to be Scythians. the one eyed Cyclopes were a Scythian tribe living in the Carpathian mountains according to Greek mythology

[XT93]

There are no pure Scythian descendants that would perfectly match their genetic signature but they have left a lot of genetics in modern Europeans.

There is, Rumeli Turks match very closely due to them having Turkic influence but being mostly of European genetics.

[Joachim]

Look at this thread for example: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...g-Indian-Women!

According to the creater of the topic Scythians were modern European-looking guys who invaded India and mated with brown indians. Is that really the case? I thought the myth of Scythians being modern European-like in terms of looks and genetics was debunked?


Does this Scythian from Kazakhstan look European to you?

Berel’, Kazakhstan 4th–3rd c. BCE


# Population Percent
1 Siberian_E_Asian 29.19
2 SE_Asian 21.15
3 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 16.35
4 WHG 14.17
5 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 10.65
6 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 4.57
7 Ancestral_South_Indian 3.41
8 SW_Asian 0.52

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 RISE_irRus 16.68
2 Kyrgyz 17.07
3 Altaian 19.05
4 Uygur 19.21
5 Uzbek 19.33
6 Hazara 20.12
7 RISE_irAltai 20.39
8 Turkmen_Afghan 23.78
9 RISE_baKarasuk 25.88
10 Turkmen 26.59
11 Hazara_Afghan 28.51
12 Tatars 29.72
13 Scythian_IA 36.68
14 Uzbek_Afghan 36.73
15 Tajik_Afghan 37.35
16 Ust_Ishim 40.89
17 RISE_baMezh 41.58
18 Tajik_Pomiri 43.2
19 Russian 44.72
20 Sherpa 44.82




Not even westernmost Scythians who were predominantly West Eurasian resembled modern Europeans, they were EHG/CHG-rich folk with substantial East Eurasian admixture.

Fake imaginary Scythians drawn by whg/neolithic europeans. LOL Davidski from Eurogenes made so much propaganda about Scythians being European-like that even after the discovery of real Scythian genomes people still think that they were modern European-like (whg+neolithic). No they were not you fucking idiots.



REAL SCYTHIAN
Berel’, Kazakhstan 4th–3rd c. BCE


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Siberian_E_Asian 29.19
2 SE_Asian 21.15
3 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 16.35
4 WHG 14.17
5 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 10.65
6 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 4.57
7 Ancestral_South_Indian 3.41
8 SW_Asian 0.52

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 RISE_irRus 16.68
2 Kyrgyz 17.07
3 Altaian 19.05
4 Uygur 19.21
5 Uzbek 19.33
6 Hazara 20.12
7 RISE_irAltai 20.39
8 Turkmen_Afghan 23.78
9 RISE_baKarasuk 25.88
10 Turkmen 26.59
11 Hazara_Afghan 28.51
12 Tatars 29.72
13 Scythian_IA 36.68
14 Uzbek_Afghan 36.73
15 Tajik_Afghan 37.35
16 Ust_Ishim 40.89
17 RISE_baMezh 41.58
18 Tajik_Pomiri 43.2
19 Russian 44.72
20 Sherpa 44.82

Because white nationalists are coping eef mu*ts,with no knowledge.

All the Iranic tribes that inavded India like kushans,pamiri sakas, hepthalites were genetically like tajiks not Europeans.
Also they were much more swarthy than Europeans.
80% britain is pale on hirisplex while only 5% sintahsta is pale on hirisplex,only 25% Blue eyed,15% blonde.
And Iranic nomads like scythians,sarmats,Alan's,kushans were 50% sintahsta only+50%bmac+east eurasian.
Eastern scythians mixed with okunevo people So they were heavily east eurasian.
So,Alll Iranic steppe nomads were much more dark than sintahsta Due to their heavy bmac and east eurasian,And scythians was already majority dark

White Nationalists forget that every country gets conquered,and it wasn't long ago that britan was inavded by urnfield Celts,angles,saxons,jutes,Romans,Vikings.
So much that the original britons don't even exist anymore.
Britian is today an imperial colonial Foreign territory where native langauges are extinct and foreign langauges, religion and customs have been enforced.
They also forget that whole of eastern and central Europe was overrun by alanic tribes foe centuries and the only reason romans won against the huns is because Alan's and sarmatians changed sides.
Closest people to Alans and sarmatians genetically are ossetians and tajiks.
White nationalists also forget the swarthoid yamnaya/bell beaker/corded ware conquest and mixification of europe with swarthy yamanaya men and globular amorpha eef women who were blonde,blue eyed and pale due to Depigmentation and mixing with blonde/Blue eyed Baltic hunter gatherers.
This is the reason sintahsta and later mlba indo Europeans were lighter than emba indo Europeans, although mlba was still darker than modern europeans,and was as light as south italians or Caucasus people are.




I have read Indian history,and it seems that later tribes like alchonites, hepthalites were defeated and kicked out By Gupta confederation and pratihars defeated arab muslims 4 times.
British rule in India was like 150 years,and even in the first Anglo maratha war the British were brutally defeated.

In later wars,they managed to bribe maratha and french officers with loads of money,so they won.
British conquest of india reads like a dishonorable conquest full of lies and bribery and conman policies.
If maratha and french generals remained loyal then British rule wouldn't have happened or would have been delayed
Can't even call it a proper honorable honest conquest like the Russian conquest of Nazi Germany,or the alexander conquests