Ancient North Eurasian

[RN97]

Really? I thought he was alright. It does explain why he sorta neglects south Euros and why he has a bias towards north Euros

He gives the science, but adds idiotic things to it. For example likely ANE didn't look northern European nor were they blonde, but the video seems to suggest so.

[Pahli]

That guy is a nordicists that talks out his ass. He claims that indo-Europeans looks most like NW Europeans for example. He basically mostly uses sources of old nordicists mixed a smidgen with modern and valid science.

We can hardly say what they were, but I think he is kinda right here, they probably resembled Eastern Europeans to some extent, some darker some lighter.

[Kelmendasi]

He gives the science, but adds idiotic things to it. For example likely ANE didn't look northern European nor were they blonde, but the video seems to suggest so.

Oh yh true lol they were Mongoloid probably.

[Pahli]

Iran_Mesolithic, it has more EHG than any modern Iranian (not sure if its legit with those 25% EHG tho), it seems to be very ANE shifted;

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 53.36
2 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 26.25
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 11.16
4 SW_Asian 4.03
5 Ancestral_South_Indian 3.2
6 W_African 2.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 KOTIAS 13.92
2 Kurd_SE 16.6
3 Kalash 18.69
4 Pashtun_Afghan 18.82
5 Tajik_Pomiri 20.82

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.8% KOTIAS + 16.2% MA1 @ 1.26
2 86.8% KOTIAS + 13.2% Samara_HG @ 3.98
3 86.8% KOTIAS + 13.2% Karelia_HG @ 3.98
4 82.9% KOTIAS + 17.1% RISE_baAndrov @ 8.47
5 83.2% KOTIAS + 16.8% RISE_baMezh @ 8.77

In another calculator Iran_Mesolithic gets more ANE than Satsurblia:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 53.44
2 Natufian 35.58
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 6.78
4 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 2.8
5 Sub_Saharan 1.4

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 CHG 11.88
2 Kurd_SE 15.84
3 Baloch_Iranian 16.03
4 Brahui 16.03
5 Balochi 16.03

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
16 74.4% Iran_ChL + 25.6% AG2 @ 2.52
17 74.4% Iran_ChL + 25.6% AG3 @ 2.52
18 74.4% Iran_ChL + 25.6% MA1 @ 2.52
19 77.6% Iran_N + 22.4% AG2 @ 2.61
20 77.6% Iran_N + 22.4% AG3 @ 2.61

[de Burgh II]

Isn't ANE a bit similar to EHG but with some Amerindian admixture that pulls it away from Europe?

It would seem ANE is a peculiar case; being highly Central Asian and Steppic (Steppe) in nature. That is surprisingly divergent from East-Eurasian like ancestry and Hunter Gatherer-Eurasian populations. In the case of West Asians specifically Iranic populations are a mish-mash of CHG (Caucasus Hunter Gatherers), ANE and indigenous farmers/BMAC peoples commonest during ancient West Asia. Whereas Gulf Arabs such as Saudis are pretty much highly Basal Eurasian (>90%). South Asians are a mix between the highly divergent "Eastern Non-African/onge-like population/Ancestral South Eurasian (ASE)" and a Steppic West Asian derivative mix/Ancestral North Indian (ANI) (i.e. "Indo-Aryans") commonest in North Indians.

East Asians; highly isolated population derived through their own natural selection in their own evolution; Eastern Non-African that is simply Eastern Eurasian in nature.

[Dick]

This is all speculation on how they looked. No specific group is uniform in looks. Ethnic groups can have the same autosmal make up but different features and hair/eye color. It's about sexual selection.

[Pahli]

This is all speculation on how they looked. No specific group is uniform in looks. Ethnic groups can have the same autosmal make up but different features and hair/eye color. It's about sexual selection.

I know, but autosomal make up can at least point us toward some specific direction, its quite clear that they weren't fully Mongoloid like some people claim them to be.

[Demon Revival]

I know, but autosomal make up can at least point us toward some specific direction, its quite clear that they weren't fully Mongoloid like some people claim them to be.

They weren't. Just compare the furthest away continental reaches (or even islands):

Japan: 1-2% ANE
British isles: 12-15% ANE

The only truly eastern shifted populations that have considerable ANE are those who are in the steppes and urals + Native Americans, Kets. All of those close to West Eurasia (or even possessing recent mix) or with origins geographically close to it.

[Dick]

I know, but autosomal make up can at least point us toward some specific direction, its quite clear that they weren't fully Mongoloid like some people claim them to be.

Obviously not. i've never seen Mal'ta boy's gedmatch. Even Otzi the "neolithic farmer" had some WHG

[Pahli]

Obviously not. i've never seen Malta boy's gedmatch. Even Otzi the "neolithic farmer" had some WHG

I posted Mal'tas gedmatch in the first page. If anyone else want to play around with it, go ahead: F999914

Also, EHG Samara:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 71.22
2 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 28.78

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 EHG 11.09
2 Steppe_Eneolithic 36.9
3 Steppe_EMBA 38.1
4 MA1 40.47
5 AG3 40.47
6 AG2 40.47
7 Steppe_IA 47.98
8 Kalash 52.85
9 Pathan 53.22
10 Punjabi 53.29

And EHG Khvalynsk, it already has some little CHG admixture:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 47.06
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 39.19
3 Natufian 7.02
4 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 6.73

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Steppe_Eneolithic 3.14
2 Steppe_EMBA 19.92
3 Steppe_MLBA 25.12
4 Steppe_IA 27.75
5 Finnish 30.14