Da Vinci, Catalan

[Comte Arnau]

Catalan and Basque nationalism are as fanatical and absurd that periodically make theories to steal the historical merits of the other (usually those of other Spanish), of course nobody, except the four Taliban Supporters of independence, can give credence to these stories, only try to convince the "Talibans" that are special.

Ibex course is too smart to give credit to this history, but others ...

I don't know that Jose Luis Espejo, but he doesn't seem to have the nationalist profile you mention, with that Spanish name. From his bibliography, he rather looks like one of those historians who like to search for mysterious periods and add some esoteric spice into it.

Leonardo Da Vinci, son of ser Piero Da Vinci, a noble man from Vinci, Tuscany, not only he was Italian, but he was also noble and from Tuscany, the region of Italy with less foreign influxes in his epoque.

Also Vespucci and Colombo were Italians

None of the theories is actually saying that they were Catalans by birth.

All i have to say is:


LOL


Da Vinci was a fellow of mine, a tuscan genious as there were plenty others in that time too, any other nation or country gave so much genious to the world as Tuscany did in that time.
Leonardo Da Vinci, catalan. LOL

I admit it's my fault to have written such a short sensionalistic title. According to the theory, it would be a more than two-century ancestor line. He'd be Tuscan through and through, of course, although apparently knowledgeable of his past and links with Catalonia, Occitania and Catharism.

Colòn was a native brought by Colombo in Spain to work as interpreter. He adopted the surname Colòn in honour to Colombo, but CRISTOFORO COLOMBO was Italian and the Columbus' Day in the USA is the day during which Italian-Americans celebrete their origins in USA, who knows why...

Well, I won't mention again the anachronism of considering them Italians in such a modern post-Romanticism way. But whatever his real name was, Cristoforo Colombo obviously not.

Even if Da Vinci's ancestors did come to Italy from Catalunya in the 13th century, wouldn't they have mixed with Italians so much that by the time of Leonardo's birth, his Catalan blood would be negligible?

Indeed.

[San Galgano]

- The heraldry coat of the Da Vinci family, showing three bars, would clearly point at its North Catalonian origin,

Find a connection between a drawing coat and his roots it's like to say that occitananians are from Pisa or the other way around cause they have the same flag, while as you once pointed out there have been cultural excange between the two.

Occitania:


Pisa:

[Comte Arnau]

Spaniards came to Italy in XVII century... .

You really apply your modern conceptions of Italy and Spain quite anachronically... How could Catalans be Spanish in the 13th century?

Btw, parts of modern Italy belonged in fact to the Crown of Aragon by the end of the 13th century...

[Ibericus]

You really apply your modern conceptions of Italy and Spain quite anachronically... How could Catalans be Spanish in the 13th century?

Btw, parts of modern Italy belonged in fact to the Crown of Aragon by the end of the 13th century...

She said 17th century not 13th century. Anyways there weren't many spaniards at all, only a few royalty and some soldiers...

[Alvarado]

The opinion of his son, the castilian cosmographer Hernando Colón is better than yours. The exact origin of Colón is unknown.

"Por lo cual, algunos, que en cierta manera piensan oscurecer su fama, dicen que fue de Nervi; otros, que de Cugureo, y otros de Buyasco, que todos son lugares pequeños, cerca de la ciudad de Génova y en su misma ribera; y otros, que quieren engrandecerle más, dicen que era de Savona, y otros que genovés; y aun los que más le suben a la cumbre, le hacen de Plasencia, en la cual ciudad hay algunas personas honradas de su familia, y sepulturas con armas y epitafios de Colombo..."

"Considerado esto, me moví a creer que así como la mayor parte de sus cosas fueron obradas por algún misterio, así aquello que toca a la variedad de tal nombre y apellido no fue sin misterio".

[San Galgano]

You really apply your modern conceptions of Italy and Spain quite anachronically... How could Catalans be Spanish in the 13th century?

Btw, parts of modern Italy belonged in fact to the Crown of Aragon by the end of the 13th century...

Tuscany has never been ruled by spaniards or catalans, they only supported some local nobles as the Medici family in the late 15th century.

[Falkata]

Colòn was a native brought by Colombo in Spain to work as interpreter. He adopted the surname Colòn in honour to Colombo, but CRISTOFORO COLOMBO was Italian and the Columbus' Day in the USA is the day during which Italian-Americans celebrete their origins in USA, who knows why...

zzz keep reading new things instead of being stuck your high school books. There are tons of different studies showing different theories and their origins are still being investigated by historians for a reason. If they were so sure about their origins they wouldn´t do it. But yeah, some dumb americans celebrating something that they don´t even know is the definitive proof that Colombus was italian
If anything he would be Geonese and not italian obviously

[Comte Arnau]

The opinion of his son, the castilian cosmographer Hernando Colón is better than yours. The exact origin of Colón is unknown.

His sons were convinced that he was Genoese, the theory says it too. What is said is that Columbus wouldn't have told them the truth in order to protect them. In fact, the theory is not incompatible with the fact that he was born in Genoa. It is also a fact that, when his son travelled to Genoa in search of his relatives, he found none...

[Comte Arnau]

Tuscany has never been ruled by spaniards or catalans, they only supported some local nobles as the Medici family in the late 15th century.

Er... where did I say it was?

What is said in the theory is that his ancestors would have escaped from the anti-Cathar Crusade of the 13th century. Many hid in southern Catalonia for a while, many would have also fled to Italy. It's not an illogical or weird thing, after all.

[San Galgano]

Er... where did I say it was?

What is said in the theory is that his ancestors would have escaped from the anti-Cathar Crusade of the 13th century. Many hid in southern Catalonia for a while, many would have also fled to Italy. It's not an illogical or weird thing, after all.

Yes, assuming that his family was escaping from an anti-Cathar crusade and he was catalan there would be any weird thing.
It's all to show though, and a coat of arm is not enough to show it nor some paintings, in a time were artists went forth and back all over Europe and many Da Vinci's paintings show the typical tuscan's country.