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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    Kurpie - 9% German surnames (14 out of 158)
    This is high, and not.

    High - becasue Kurpie are considered a local population
    since ever, and quite far from german influence.

    Not - because the colonization of the forests obviously had to invole foreign
    element, among which the most numerous was always a german one.

    Is also not, because fits to my general estimation for Dajczers - 10% - but
    I thought about general population, among which such entities as Kurpies,
    can have lowest percentage. So, maybe the general % is higher?

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    I was trying to Polonize my linux system, and failed! You can't do it to the end!
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    I don't visit German section so didn't see that. But fits in this thread well.

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    Unban Rethel!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Harald Meller View Post
    Why do many famous Poles have Germanic names
    Are Germanic names also common among "every-day" Polish population?
    Not so many. Among "famous" it is circa 10%. I guess it is also an average percentage of PolGermans in whole country. In most groups to which I belonged, german names had also such propotions, and I live in the one of the least german influenced regions.
    For example among polish politicians it looks like that:

    MEPs:

    Confederation: 3/11 = 27%
    Coalition of Oportunists 24/134 = 18%
    Lawlessness and Unjustice aka Pro Israeli System 37/235 = 16%
    Commies: 8/48 = 16%
    Peasants: 4/30 = 13%
    No membership: 2/2 = 100%

    Zusammen: 78/460 = 17%

    Senate: 17/100 = 17%

    Government: 4-5/22 = 18-22%

    I counted clear Germans (including couple possible Jews, 1-2 other germanic names plus clearly
    polonized Germans) and possible Germans (name is 50:50 polish/german or based on german root).

    So, taking this unto account, it can be safely said, that some or at least 10% is of German provenance.

    The most germanized parlamentary party seems to be the most pro-independence one and the only anti-covidiocy one.


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    And counted second time, day later:

    Seym-MEPs:

    Rather clear german names:



    1. Małgorzata Wassermann
    2. Łukasz Schreiber
    3. Piotr Muller
    4. Arkadiusz Mularczyk
    5. Radosław Fogiel
    6. Jan Krzysztof Ardanowski
    7. Jarosław Sellin
    8. Paweł Szefernaker
    9. Tadeusz Cymański
    10. Anna Schmidt-Rodziewicz
    11. Zbigniew Rau
    12. Iwona Arent
    13. Marek Ast
    14. Wojciech Szarama
    15. Andrzej Gut-Mostowy
    16. Czesław Hoc
    17. Jerzy Materna
    18. Jerzy Paul
    19. Piotr Sak
    20. Waldemar Andzel
    21. Teresa Glenc
    22. Zbigniew Hoffmann
    23. Rafał Weber
    24. Katarzyna Lubnauer
    25. Joanna Kluzik-Rostkowska
    26. Iwona Hartwich
    27. Ireneusz Raś
    28. Tomasz Lenz
    29. Paulina Henning-Kloska
    30. Sławomir Neumann
    31. Paweł Papke
    32. Joanna Frydrych
    33. Konrad Frysztak
    34. Elżbieta Gelert
    35. Rajmund Miler
    36. Piotr Zientarski
    37. Marek Hok
    38. Mirosława Nykiel
    39. Tomasz Olichwer
    40. Paweł Szramka
    41. Adrian Zandberg
    42. Joanna Scheuring-Wielgus
    43. Andrzej Szejna
    44. Romuald Ajchler
    45. Janusz Korwin-Mikke
    46. Grzegorz Braun
    47. Konrad Berkowicz - added, seems be both ways, but comes from Walddeutsche area, so can be rather german.
    48. Katarzyna Ueberhan
    49. Małgorzata Sekuła-Szmajdzińska
    50. Paweł Bejda
    51. Władysław Dajczak
    52. Ryszard Galla, MEP of german minority - but could be both ways?

    And this is allready 11%.


    Names showing possible ethnic germanic origin, and here could be also nr 50.

    1. Jacek Sasin
    2. Stanisław Szwed
    3. Małgorzata Niemczyk

    And one english like:

    Jerzy Hardie Douglas

    = 12%.

    Surnames of possible german; or double polish or german
    origin; or build on german first name or on germanism.
    At least half of them actually could be german.


    1. Anna Krupka
    2. Ewa Leniart
    3. Michał Woś
    4. Paweł Rychlik
    5. Patryk Wicher
    6. Zdzisław Sipiera
    7. Michał Jach
    8. Grzegorz Lorek
    9. Robert Telus
    10. Mariusz Trepka
    11. Agnieszka Soin
    12. Grzegorz Schetyna - total guess, who knows.
    13. Michał Jaros
    14. Kamila Gasiuk-Pihowicz
    15. Sławomir Nitras
    16. Bogusław Sonik
    17. Arkadiusz Myrcha
    18. Marta Golbik
    19. Klaudia Jachira
    20. Adam Cyrański
    21. Gabriela Lenartowicz
    22. Aleksander Miszalski
    23. Stanisław Tyszka
    24. Marek Biernacki
    25. Jolanta Fedak
    26. Dariusz Klimczak
    27. Andrzej Rozenek
    28. Marek Dyduch
    29. Tomasz Trela
    30. Hanna Gill-Piątek
    31. Monika Falej
    32. Krzysztof Bosak
    33. Ryszard Terlecki

    Germeniazed slavic names:

    Piotr Babinetz
    Kazimierz Plocke
    Last edited by Rethel; 10-11-2020 at 12:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel View Post
    For example among polish politicians it looks like that:

    MEPs:

    Confederation: 3/11 = 27%
    Coalition of Oportunists 24/134 = 18%
    Lawlessness and Unjustice aka Pro Israeli System 37/235 = 16%
    Commies: 8/48 = 16%
    Peasants: 4/30 = 13%
    No membership: 2/2 = 100%

    Zusammen: 78/460 = 17%

    Senate: 17/100 = 17%

    Government: 4-5/22 = 18-22%

    I counted clear Germans (including couple possible Jews, 1-2 other germanic names plus clearly
    polonized Germans) and possible Germans (name is 50:50 polish/german or based on german root).

    So, taking this unto account, it can be safely said, that some or at least 10% is of German provenance.

    The most germanized parlamentary party seems to be the most pro-independence one and the only anti-covidiocy one.


    ================================


    And counted second time, day later:

    Seym-MEPs:

    Rather clear german names:



    1. Małgorzata Wassermann
    2. Łukasz Schreiber
    3. Piotr Muller
    4. Arkadiusz Mularczyk
    5. Radosław Fogiel
    6. Jan Krzysztof Ardanowski
    7. Jarosław Sellin
    8. Paweł Szefernaker
    9. Tadeusz Cymański
    10. Anna Schmidt-Rodziewicz
    11. Zbigniew Rau
    12. Iwona Arent
    13. Marek Ast
    14. Wojciech Szarama
    15. Andrzej Gut-Mostowy
    16. Czesław Hoc
    17. Jerzy Materna
    18. Jerzy Paul
    19. Piotr Sak
    20. Waldemar Andzel
    21. Teresa Glenc
    22. Zbigniew Hoffmann
    23. Rafał Weber
    24. Katarzyna Lubnauer
    25. Joanna Kluzik-Rostkowska
    26. Iwona Hartwich
    27. Ireneusz Raś
    28. Tomasz Lenz
    29. Paulina Henning-Kloska
    30. Sławomir Neumann
    31. Paweł Papke
    32. Joanna Frydrych
    33. Konrad Frysztak
    34. Elżbieta Gelert
    35. Rajmund Miler
    36. Piotr Zientarski
    37. Marek Hok
    38. Mirosława Nykiel
    39. Tomasz Olichwer
    40. Paweł Szramka
    41. Adrian Zandberg
    42. Joanna Scheuring-Wielgus
    43. Andrzej Szejna
    44. Romuald Ajchler
    45. Janusz Korwin-Mikke
    46. Grzegorz Braun
    47. Konrad Berkowicz - added, seems be both ways, but comes from Walddeutsche area, so can be rather german.
    48. Katarzyna Ueberhan
    49. Małgorzata Sekuła-Szmajdzińska
    50. Paweł Bejda
    51. Władysław Dajczak
    52. Ryszard Galla, MEP of german minority - but could be both ways?

    And this is allready 11%.


    Names showing possible ethnic germanic origin, and here could be also nr 50.

    1. Jacek Sasin
    2. Stanisław Szwed
    3. Małgorzata Niemczyk

    And one english like:

    Jerzy Hardie Douglas

    = 12%.

    Surnames of possible german; or double polish or german
    origin; or build on german first name or on germanism.
    At least half of them actually could be german.


    1. Anna Krupka
    2. Ewa Leniart
    3. Michał Woś
    4. Paweł Rychlik
    5. Patryk Wicher
    6. Zdzisław Sipiera
    7. Michał Jach
    8. Grzegorz Lorek
    9. Robert Telus
    10. Mariusz Trepka
    11. Agnieszka Soin
    12. Grzegorz Schetyna - total guess, who knows.
    13. Michał Jaros
    14. Kamila Gasiuk-Pihowicz
    15. Sławomir Nitras
    16. Bogusław Sonik
    17. Arkadiusz Myrcha
    18. Marta Golbik
    19. Klaudia Jachira
    20. Adam Cyrański
    21. Gabriela Lenartowicz
    22. Aleksander Miszalski
    23. Stanisław Tyszka
    24. Marek Biernacki
    25. Jolanta Fedak
    26. Dariusz Klimczak
    27. Andrzej Rozenek
    28. Marek Dyduch
    29. Tomasz Trela
    30. Hanna Gill-Piątek
    31. Monika Falej
    32. Krzysztof Bosak
    33. Ryszard Terlecki

    Germeniazed slavic names:

    Piotr Babinetz
    Kazimierz Plocke
    Surnames don't really indicate much, since using your logic my surname is "German", and yet my paternal ancestry is Ukrainian going back quite a bit with only a tiny German input (5%).

    Slavic (AD 540–1270) 64.0%
    Baltic (AD 260–540) 21.2%
    Germanic (AD 100–630) 7.6%
    European Jew (AD 1160–1400) 6.0%
    Sinitic (1230 BC–AD 1670) 1.2%
    Fit: 2.626

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polak View Post
    Surnames don't really indicate much, since using your logic my surname is "German", and yet my paternal ancestry is Ukrainian going back quite a bit with only a tiny German input (5%).
    Not enaugh that Ukr, then yet a Folksdojcz!




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    Rethel,

    According to this guy in the link (user olszak-przytycki):

    https://genealodzy.pl/PNphpBB2-viewt...459aa81c.phtml

    ^^^ Percentage of foreign surnames among Poles is:

    German surnames - ca. 5%
    Ukrainian surnames - ca. 4.5%
    Belarusiian surnames - ca. 1%
    Czech surnames - ca. 0.5%
    Russian surnames - ca. 0.04%
    Slovak surnames - ca. 0.03%
    Sorbian surnames - ca. 0.008%

    If you think that German surnames are more common (ca. 10-20% ???) then maybe you should contact him and tell him.

    I would like to see some "final" and objective estimate.

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