Are Albanians Illyrian or Not?

[Vožd]

So according to your logic, where's all that ''native Balkan'' DNA from? Poland? Albanians are among the most homogeneous groups in Europe and if anything, if it suits your wet dreams,
if we aren't Illyrians, we're either Dacians or Thracian descendants (as native) so sorry.

If Romanization destroyed populations, half of Europe would've been empty today...

Neolithic E1b1 from north Africa, mesolitic I2a is European (I hg is the oldest major haplogroup in Europe). I2a is today dominant for Serbs, Croats and Bosniaks and E1b for Albanians.
There is no "Albanians" on Illyrian ages.
They are not physical destroyed. Illyrians was not genetic group of people, only cultural, after their culture gone (romanized), they disappeared.

[Arbërori]

Neolithic E1b1 from north Africa, mesolitic I2a is European (I hg is the oldest major haplogroup in Europe). I2a is today dominant for Serbs, Croats and Bosniaks and E1b for Albanians.
There is no "Albanians" on Illyrian ages.
They are not physical destroyed. Illyrians was not genetic group of people, only cultural, after their culture gone (romanized), they disappeared.

Well, clearly you're clueless on the whole haplogroup thing, but if it will make you sleep better, ev13 is atleast 20 % in Serbia.

Illyrians were a people and Albanians are descendants of the southernmost group. Now grasp, kiddo.

[Dodona]

[Dodona]

Ethnographical Map of #Europe, in the Earliest Times (1861)
Map: http://ow.ly/SKyC30bLwKI
Source: http://ow.ly/fHZH30bLwTk
Illyrian peninsula (Balkans), year 1861 - "Illyrian or Skipetarian (Albanian) race"
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• Don't forget, Thrakia and Dacia were Skipetarian too!
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��The Native Races of the Russian Empire by Robert Gordon Latham:
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(Page 200) : "The stocks that have lost the ground that the Sarmatians have gained are the seventh and fifth of our list - the Skipitar (or Albanian) and the Ugrian. A case may be made in favour of the original area of the preserved Albanians being carried somewhat farther northwards and considerably further eastwards. Whether ancient Macedonia and ancient Thrace were at the very earliest Sarmatian - they were more or less Albanian or Skipitar. I do believe that the Slavonians which now lie and at the beginning of the historical period lay between them are intrusive".
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��University of Melbourne - Australian Slavonic and East European studies (ASEES) - journal of the the Australian and New Zealand Slavists' Association and of the Australasian Association for Study of the Socialist Countries, Vol. 4-5 Department of Russian and Language Studies, University of Melbourne 1990:
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(Page: 200): "The oldest surviving inhabitants are the Albanians, descendants of a group of peoples known as Illyrians, Thracians and Dacians".
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�� An historical geography of Europe: 450 B.C. - A.D. 1330, Norman John Greville Pounds (1977):
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(Page 51): "The Thracians, who lived east of the Illyrians and stretched to the Black and Aegean Seas, are said to have differed only dialectically from the Illyrians" (Norman Greville Pounds). ••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••
��John Van Antwerp Fine - The early medieval Balkans: a critical survey (1991):
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(Page 2): "The Illyrians and Dacians were able to retreat into the mountains at the time of the Slavic invasions and retain their identities".

[Dodona]

�� National Geographic Society., 1908. The National Geographic Magazine Vol. 19., 1908. University of Michigan : "The Albanians are of pure European origin".


�� Une race oubliée; les Pélasges et leurs descendants by Schneider, Édouard, b. 1880 Published 1894. University of Michigan: "The Albanian language preserves the purest and most authentic sound of the Pelasgian language".


��Bulletin de l'Institut d'Egypte 1902 - Dr. Frassari Adamidi 1900. University of California (2009) :
"The Pelasgians were not absorbed by the Hellenes, but Pelasgians themselves, have survived there and still live today, masked under the name of Albanians, and retain their customs and habits intact".


��Focaloir gaoidhilge-sags-bhearla; or: An Irish-English dictionary By John O'Brien (Bp.), Robert Daly, Michael McGinty, Edward Lhuyd The Table Of Nations: A Unique Document : "Pelasgi was the first and general name for all the original settlers".


��The missionary review Vol. 43. (1920) "The Albanians speak an absolutely unique language, one of the most ancient and historically one of the most important languages of Europe".


��National Geographic Vol. 59. 1931: "The Albanian language is thus the Mother-Language of all the European languages existing today".

[Dodona]

Students and the world-wide expansion of Christianity. SVMFM - international convention: Fennell Parrish Turner (1914)
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"In Albania we are dealing with the people who are represented and acknowledged as being the oldest race in Europe : a people who had civilization a thousand years before the civilization of Pericles in Greece"

[Vožd]

Well, clearly you're clueless on the whole haplogroup thing, but if it will make you sleep better, ev13 is atleast 20 % in Serbia.

Illyrians were a people and Albanians are descendants of the southernmost group. Now grasp, kiddo.

In time when Albanians created, Illyrians has already disappeared. All people in Balkan have origin from people whose far ancestors was Illyrians and Thracians.

[Dodona]

��The Imperial and asiatic quarter review and oriental and colonial record. (1894) Harvard College Library, 1912, Page 178/179. • Alexander the Great Shqiptar
• Pelasgian = national name: Shqiptar
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The Asiatic Quarterly Review was the original name
of a British journal on India and southern Asia.

The Asiatic Quarterly Review began publishing in 1886. New series began in 1891 and 1896, and the journal was renamed the Imperial and Asiatic Quarterly Review and Oriental and Colonial Record. The name reverted to The Asiatic Quarterly Review in 1913 with the start of a fourth series, and then shortened to "Asiatic Review" in 1914.
The journal ceased publication in 1952.
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Online Available: �� https://archive.org/stream/asiaticqu.../n192/mode/2up

[Vožd]

lol

[Dodona]

�� The modern Greek language in its relation to ancient Greek Author: Geldart, Edmund Martin, 1844-1885.

"Albanian presents us in a mutilated shape with the Graeco-Italian language before it had split into Greek and Latin. Albanian preserves many of the Sanskrit forms, which Latin and Greek have lost".


https://archive.org/stream/moderngre...e/136/mode/1up
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��Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza: Genes, Languages and People (2001) Stanford University, Page 163: In our tree, several languages have an early, separate origin:
Albanian, Armenian, and later, though somewhat less clearly, Greek.
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��Alexandru Madgearu and Martin Gordon: The wars of the Balkan Peninsula: Their medieval origins (2008) Lanham, Md. : Scarecrow Press. "The Albanians are the most ancient European people. They lived without interruption in Albania."
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�� The present state of the republick of letters, Volume 8. Leipzick, May 2, 1731. Gaius Plinius Secundus (23-79 e.s.) VII 56 (57), concerning letters:
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"Pelasgi first introduced letters into Latium"; "Pelasgian characters are more ancient than the Greek"; "Pelasgi were the first who introduced letters among the Greeks";
"Likewise the Pelasgian language is the fame with the Latin, afterwards called Roman; and the pelasgi probs. the founders of Rome".
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Pokorny: "illyrians had invented a specific geometric writing system several thousand years before Sumerians"
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"Albanian is the only Indo European language that has preserved the archaic structure of proto Aryan language. Albanian adjectives and ordinals come after the stressed nouns. The law formulated in 1892 by J. Wackernagel, according to which unstressed parts of the sentence tend to occupy a position after the first stressed word normally situated at the beginning of a sentence qualifies Albanian as the oldest living Indo European language"