View Poll Results: Are Albanians Illyrians?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vožd View Post
    This is not middle age troll
    What middle age retard. I am showing you how your country, the Pashalluk of Belgrade with help of the great powers have stolen land inhabitated by Albanians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laberia View Post
    What middle age retard. I am showing you how your country, the Pashalluk of Belgrade with help of the great powers have stolen land inhabitated by Albanians.
    Serbs was expelled from Kosovo after Turkish arrival. Expelled Kosovo Serbs migrated to Krajina (Croatia and western Bosnia today).
    Where is middle age Kosovo Albanians?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vožd View Post
    Serbs was expelled from Kosovo after Turkish arrival. Expelled Kosovo Serbs migrated to Krajina (Croatia and western Bosnia today).
    Where is middle age Kosovo Albanians?
    When servs were expelled from Kosova from Ottomans? Because i know an another story:
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    Marino Bizzi:
    Report of a Visit to Parts of Turkey, Bar, Albania and Serbia

    Marino Bizzi, originally from the Dalmatian island of Rab, was the Archbishop of Bar (Antivari) from 1608 to 1625. He regarded himself as a bulwark in the defence of the interests of the Vatican in a region which was increasingly leaving the fold of the Catholic Church and converting to Islam. Among his duties was the preparation and transmission to Rome of reports on the state of the church in the regions under his authority. The report of his visit to northern Albania in 1610 is considered one of the most interesting and informative descriptions of northern Albania in the early years of the seventeenth century.
    Report of Marino Bizzi, Archbishop of Bar (Antivari),
    on his visit to Turkey, Bar, Albania and Serbia in the year 1610

    When the time arrived, we set off on our journey to the city of Prizren, which we entered at two o'clock in the morning, this city being without walls as are almost all of these towns. The priest walked through the town with some trepidation because some janissaries had recently killed one another in his house. They had gone there for a meal. The Turks claimed that the priest ought to be punished, because the murderers got away.

    This city contains 8,600 quite large houses, almost all of which have courtyards like rural homes in Italy. It is larger than all other towns except Skopje which is 40 miles away. Prizren is irrigated by fountains and other sources of flowing water, which turn the water mills and enrichen and enliven the city.

    Upon our arrival, we were told that some monks of the schismatic metropolitan had been waiting near the doorway of the priest's house where I was staying until one in the morning to meet me. The next morning I learned that they had only wanted to meet me. I heard nothing more of them during the three days I spent in Prizren, but on one of the mornings, the said schismatic metropolitan sent his janissary to force the priest to give him money, as usual.

    In this city, a bell rings from atop one of the many minarets which belong to the mosques. It keeps time by means of a clock built for the Turks by some Frenchmen, something quite unusual in Turkey. There are hardly more than 30 Latin homes. There is a church bearing the name of Our Lady of the Assumption, which within a short period was set on fire three times by the Turks and looted twice, in particular on the occasion of the murder among the janissaries. It has a good portico in front of it and a very large cemetery surrounded by walls. It has a chalice and paten and a small image with a silver cross, which is placed upon the altar when mass is celebrated. It had two silk chasubles with two nice tablecloths and a golden fore altar for the choir. There was no shrine, no baptistry and no holy oils. We therefore gave them some of ours. There are many schismatics in the city. They much exceed the number of the Latins, who have at their disposal only two churches out of the 80 they once had.
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    Extract from: Relatione della visita fatta da me, Marino Bizzi, Arcivescovo d'Antivari, nelle parti della Turchia, Antivari, Albania et Servia alla santità di nostro Signore papa Paolo V. Published as: Franjo Racki (ed.): Izvještaj barskoga nadbiskupa Marina Bizzia o svojem putovanju god. 1610 po Arbanaskoj i Staroj Srbiji, in: Starine, na sviet izdaje Jugoslavenska Akademija Znanosti i Umjetnosti, Zagreb, 20 (1888), p. 50 156; and in: Injac Zamputi (ed.): Relacione mbi gjendjen e Shqipërisë veriore dhe të mesme në shekullin XVII. vol. 1 (1610-1634), Tiranë 1963, p. 48 241.

    In the year 1610, this Catholic Archbishop, after describing the terrible situation of the Catholic Albanians in North Albania and Kosova, give us an testimony of the perfect relations between the servian orthodox church and the Turks. So, nobody was expelled from Kosova after the arrival of the turks. Not only this, but orthodox church of servia with the help of the Ottomans, continued the same process started long time ago, during Nemaja dinasty, but especially during Tsar Stefan Dushan, the conversion of the Albanians in orthodox and the apropriation of the Catholic churches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serbo Makeridov View Post
    Albanians are not Latins speakers.
    And? I was just making a point.

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    �� The modern Greek language in its relation to ancient Greek Author: Geldart, Edmund Martin, 1844-1885. 1870
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    "Albanian presents us in a mutilated shape with the Graeco-Italian language before it had split into Greek and Latin. Albanian preserves many of the Sanskrit forms, which Latin and Greek have lost".

    Book: https://archive.org/stream/moderngre...e/136/mode/1up





    The present state of the republick of letters, Volume 8. Leipzick, May 2, 1731. Gaius Plinius Secundus (23-79 e.s.) VII 56 (57), concerning letters:


    "Pelasgi first introduced letters into Latium"; "Pelasgian characters are more ancient than the Greek"; "Pelasgi were the first who introduced letters among the Greeks";
    "Likewise the Pelasgian language is the fame with the Latin, afterwards called Roman; and the pelasgi probs. the founders of Rome".


    Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza: Genes, Languages and People (2001) Stanford University, Page 163:

    "In our tree, several languages have an early, separate origin: Albanian, Armenian, and later, though somewhat less clearly, Greek".

    http://m.pnas.org/content/94/15/7719.full


    �� Alexandru Madgearu and Martin Gordon: The wars of the Balkan Peninsula: Their medieval origins (2008) Lanham, Md. : Scarecrow Press.

    "The Albanians are the most ancient European people. They lived without interruption in Albania."

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    The Greeks...

    Travelers in Various Countries of Europe, Asia and Africa, 6 vols. (1810— 23), Vol. 4, 321.

    Edward Daniel Clarke repeated the claim that the Albanians were more attractive and purer than the Greeks:

    "The Greeks are, for the most part, indolent and profligate, vain, obsequious, poor and dirty. The Albanians are industrious, independent, honourable and hospitable. They are a hardier and healthier race".




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    Albanians are Illyrians, no doubts about that. Ex Yugoslavs in general look primitive species compare to average albanians. No offense but is true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dodona View Post
    The Greeks...

    Travelers in Various Countries of Europe, Asia and Africa, 6 vols. (1810— 23), Vol. 4, 321.

    Edward Daniel Clarke repeated the claim that the Albanians were more attractive and purer than the Greeks:

    "The Greeks are, for the most part, indolent and profligate, vain, obsequious, poor and dirty. The Albanians are industrious, independent, honourable and hospitable. They are a hardier and healthier race".




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    Quote Originally Posted by Drawing-slim View Post
    Albanians are Illyrians, no doubts about that. Ex Yugoslavs in general look primitive species compare to average albanians. No offense but is true.
    Primitive?

    Albanians are textbook example of middleage primitivism. Hiding on the mountins, doing nothing.

    FFS YOU HAVE NO WRITTEN HISTORY BEFORE 11th century, while everyone knows for "Yugo" Archons, Dukes, EMPERORS! from 5th century onwards.

    The only reason why Albanians are so "native, and pure genetically" is because they have been doing nothing for the last 2000 years.

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