Are Albanians Illyrian or Not?

[Dick]

Illyrians, Dacians and Thracians all probably had Y-DNA Haplogroup I at 30-40%+, Illyrians even higher than 30-40%, maybe well over 50-60% I. Albanians are about 15%. So no, they have some Illyrian ancestry, but not enough in my opinion to call them Illyrians. It would be similar to calling the Bulgarians, Thracians. But even more extreme because the Bulgarians have about 26% I, and are more Thracian than the Albanians are Illyrian.

The Albanians differ with the Greeks with having higher E1b1b and have more J2b than J2a. The Greeks have much more G and T, and higher J2a.

Haplogroup I2a you mean?

[Geni]

so ...you are expert in albanian and illyrian language ? If you look good french is unrelated with ancient celtic...dare you to say that they are not celts?....Of course not because they are 1 big people...is so easy with Albania...

[Lek]

Albanians are of Illyrian descent.

But not out of all Illyrian tribes but some of them and for sure Albanoi tribe that was recorded by Ptolemy.
Ptolemy mentions Albanoi tribe that is located just where today Albania is. It is mentioned in his books: Geographica (III, 12, 20) in second century AD.

good thread, why not discuss about it.

Albania is just a name given to the area by the romans, tribes and areas like dardania , dalmatia, bosnia etc and its topoyms and genetics are connected to us.

[Lek]

Illyrians, Dacians and Thracians all probably had Y-DNA Haplogroup I at 30-40%+, Illyrians even higher than 30-40%, maybe well over 50-60% I. Albanians are about 15%. So no, they have some Illyrian ancestry, but not enough in my opinion to call them Illyrians as a whole. It would be similar to calling the Bulgarians, Thracians. But even more extreme because the Bulgarians have about 26% I, and are more Thracian than the Albanians are Illyrian.

The Albanians differ with the Greeks with having higher E1b1b and have more J2b than J2a. The Greeks have much more G and T, and higher J2a.

Haplogroup i2a1b is slavic in origin, ilyrians had same haplogroups as modern Albanians as proven by genetic findings. Youre all obviously new to this shit. Lulz

[Lek]

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so ...you are expert in albanian and illyrian language ? If you look good french is unrelated with ancient celtic...dare you to say that they are not celts?....Of course not because they are 1 big people...is so easy with Albania...

That's what the experts have concluded:

Austrian Scholars Leave Albania Lost for Words
Viennese researchers upset traditionally minded Albanians by pouring cold water on the theory that the Albanian language has its roots in Ancient Illyria.

Matzinger points put that when the few surviving fragments of Illyrian and Albanian are compared, they have almost nothing in common.

“The two are opposites and cannot fit together,” he says.

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/arti...ost-for-words/

It is Albanians who repeatedly make the claim their language is more Ancient than Greek, although it has been proven to be related to Romanian.

[Geni]

the expert gut that say that albanian is 3000 years old in the region and is not illyrian ?What is then ....or greek (this is impossible),or thracian or dacian because i dont see other alternative....if you see 1 say me...

[Geni]

Then is stupid to compare 1 modern nation with 1 people living in ancient times....have you 1 idea how much invasions had Albania and Balkans generally ?1 child pro invasion they are milions today...

[Lek]

That's what the experts have concluded:

Austrian Scholars Leave Albania Lost for Words
Viennese researchers upset traditionally minded Albanians by pouring cold water on the theory that the Albanian language has its roots in Ancient Illyria.

Matzinger points put that when the few surviving fragments of Illyrian and Albanian are compared, they have almost nothing in common.

“The two are opposites and cannot fit together,” he says.

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/arti...ost-for-words/

It is Albanians who repeatedly make the claim their language is more Ancient than Greek, although it has been proven to be related to Romanian.

You keep repeating this as if they have proven anything, they never made any arguements for why it isnt, in fact their work is laughable and they were arguing Albanians are from Thracian Bessi tribe, youre obviously a dumb person, you never read their documents where they claim Albanian is Thracian but without any actual evidence which you wouldnt like either since youre a chauvunist... ill show you hundreds of scholars who argued against them. Besides genetically we are connected to west Balkans like r1b found in bosnia and j2b l283 in dalmatia, in thrace and greece was found more j2a and ev13 etc... and they are only saying that proto Albanians were thracians. Other sxholars say its connected to the Ilyrians ,

[Сербо Макеридов]

Albanians are of Illyrian descent.

But not out of all Illyrian tribes but some of them and for sure Albanoi tribe that was recorded by Ptolemy.
Ptolemy mentions Albanoi tribe that is located just where today Albania is. It is mentioned in his books: Geographica (III, 12, 20) in second century AD.

good thread, why not discuss about it.

Bullshit.