Are Albanians Illyrian or Not?

[Decius]

Albanians are of Illyrian descent.

But not out of all Illyrian tribes but some of them and for sure Albanoi tribe that was recorded by Ptolemy.
Ptolemy mentions Albanoi tribe that is located just where today Albania is. It is mentioned in his books: Geographica (III, 12, 20) in second century AD.

good thread, why not discuss about it.

I disagree with you that modern Albanians are mainly Illyrian, however thanks for being civil

[Geni]

You can disagree, i can understand because history and we are "enemy" people ,but, this dont change the fact

[Сербо Макеридов]

Albanians have nothing to do with Illyrians.

Most dominant haplogroups among Albanians are North African E1b, Anatolian-Middle Eastern J2b2 and Anatolian-Caucasian R1b-BY611.

Illyrians were pure Europeans and not Caucasian-Anatolian-Middle Eastern newcomers as Albanians.

[Lek]

the expert gut that say that albanian is 3000 years old in the region and is not illyrian ?What is then ....or greek (this is impossible),or thracian or dacian because i dont see other alternative....if you see 1 say me...

Yes, they said its Thracian from Bessi tribe and 3000 year old language, which she doesnt get, and which many other scholars who argue for Ilyrian origin dont think is possible that its thracian and if so those would of been only proto Albanians. And they also only studied toponyms in Albania and not toponyns in other Ilyrian inhabited areas like Dardania which was Thracian Ilyrian celtic mixed, or Dalmacia + they claimed obvious Albanian toponyms in Albania are not Albanian lmao... we are obviously atleast indigenous to North Albania/Malsia which has pred Albanian topobyms and indigenous tribes, if they migrated to the area they absorbed the Ilyrian speakibg population, d sone tribes there have tradition of comibg from more northern areas of Ilyria, also Albanian language survived roman times in malsia + west kosovo, Malcolm made some good arguements for that and I can make some too but no time and also western Kosovo and west fyrom etc. She keeps repeating these scholars as if they are any more relevant than anyobe else but she doesnt even know they said we are Thracians from Bessi

[Messier 67]

Haplogroup i2a1b is slavic in origin, ilyrians had same haplogroups as modern Albanians as proven by genetic findings. Youre all obviously new to this shit. Lulz

I2*/I2a is what modern south "slavs" are. They are no relation to the R1a "slavs". The I2*/I2a were indigenous to Southeastern Europe and the E1b1b possibly arrived soon after. I2*/I2a are highly represented in Bulgaria (Thrace), Romania (Dacia) and the Adriatic coast of the Balkans (Illyria). They did not come with the slavs from the Proto-Indo-Europeans, they were there before the Indo-Europeans arrived. And they have a heavy presence means they were the natives, with E1b1b.

There are non-Indo European slavs, Haplogroup I2*/I2a. And there are the Indo-European R1a slavs. Two completely different people.

The Illyrian, Dacians and Thracians had substantial I2*/I2a as is still indicated in the native population today. I2*/I2a have been diluted over the years, no invasions of I2*/I2a have ever happened to Europe since they arrived. The invasions have been R1 and others, indicating I2*/I2a was greater in ancient times.

[Decius]

You can disagree, i can understand because history and we are "enemy" people ,but, this dont change the fact

There is conflicting evidence on the subject for example many people believe that Albanians don't have Illyrian haplogroups

[Geni]

Albanians have nothing to do with Illyrians.

Most dominant haplogroups among Albanians are North African E1b, Anatolian-Middle Eastern J2b2 and Anatolian-Caucasian R1b-BY611.

Illyrians were pure Europeans and not Caucasian-Anatolian-Middle Eastern newcomers as Albanians.

That irony, said this from a Serbian.....

[Сербо Макеридов]

Albanians have a lot of Armenoid influence in phenotype and origin of Armenoid race is in Eastern Anatolia and in Caucasus.

Illyrians are described by Roman and Greek writers as tall people with light pigmentation.

[Decius]

Albanians have a lot Armenoid influence in phenotype and origin of Armenoid race is in Eastern Anatolia and in Caucasus, Illyrians are described by Roman and Greek writers as tall people with light pigmentation.

Also the average height of an Albanian male is 5 foot 8
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ight_worldwide

[Сербо Макеридов]

Also the average height of an Albanian male is 5 foot 8
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ight_worldwide

Serbia is 182cm on average, Albania is 174cm on average.

Illyrians were decribed by Romans and Greeks as very tall people.