Are Albanians Illyrian or Not?

**~~Catholic Riffs~~** · 12-15-2017, 09:50 AM

Darker = More Illyrian Ancestry

**Queen B** · 12-15-2017, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by Dodona

Edward Daniel Clarke repeated the claim that the Albanians were more attractive and purer than the Greeks:

"The Greeks are, for the most part, indolent and profligate, vain, obsequious, poor and dirty. The Albanians are industrious, independent, honourable and hospitable. They are a hardier and healthier race".

was he stoned?

**Vožd** · 12-15-2017, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Diocleatian204

I2 was a Gothic or Slavic Haplogroup.

I is oldest European hg.

**Lavrentis** · 12-15-2017, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Diocleatian204

Greeks are predominatley E1b & J2b2 as well. Illyrians were Pure E1b.

Greeks are mostly J2a, not J2b2. Most of your posts in this thread are nonsense anyway.

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**~~Catholic Riffs~~** · 12-15-2017, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Vožd

I is oldest European hg.

Nope that's C

**Kelmendasi** · 12-15-2017, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by Catholic Riffs

Nope that's C

I and C1a2 were in Europe at roughly the same time, or maybe that was IJ and C1a2. I evolved in Europe though whilst C1a2 probably somewhere in the middle East

**Grand Admiral Thrawn** · 01-08-2021, 04:20 PM

This is equivelant to saying "Are Ashkenazis pure Semites"? or are "Anglos pure Saxons from Germany" of course not

Ashkenazis are 50% Southern Italian and Greek, 10% Slavic and only 35% Middle Eastern/West Asian

Anglos are a cluster of Celts, Native Britonics and Germanics

Albanians are a cluster of Illyrians, Thracians, Dacians, Greeks, Romans, South Slavs and Celts. Basically most people in the Balkans for that matter

**~~Redmar~~** · 01-08-2021, 04:43 PM

Illyrian admixture in Friesland? Never heard of that before..

**Grand Admiral Thrawn** · 01-08-2021, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by Vožd

I is oldest European hg.

Alright so haplogroup I is split into 2 categories

I1 or I-F2642 (Scando shit basically)

I2a2 (The one that South Slavs and Sardinians mostly have)

Sardinians also have like the least Steppe admixture in Europe, making them some of the most exotic looking people on the continent. But I digress, if you look closely the I2 subclade South Slavs have came from the Ukraine, you can literally see the migration. Illyrians did have some I2 and I1 for that matter, but they were overwhelmingly R1b, J2b and E1b-V13.

I haplogroup is the oldest in Europe yes that is True.

E1b-V13 is like on of the second oldest along with G, because they're Paleo Balkanic or Neolithic haplogroups

The subclade the South Slavs have is heavily associated with the Goths.