EV13 the most elite haplogroup

[Era]

G and E1b1b were major Neolithic Farmer lineages.

However, since G2a is the only lineage that was consistently found in all Neolithic sites tested to date in Europe, the absence of Neolithic G2a lineages from Scandinavia and the Baltic implies that no Neolithic lineage survives there, and consequently E-V13 does not date from the Neolithic in the region.

[Dema]

So Bronze age invaders from Russian steppe?

[Era]

So Bronze age invaders from Russian steppe?

If E-V13 was found among both groups, it would have needed to be either assimilated in the Pontic Steppe or very near from it (say, in the Cucuteni-Trypillian culture, around western Ukraine, Moldova and Romania), or at the junction between the two groups in central Europe (e.g. around the Czech Republic).

[Ülev]

If E-V13 was found among both groups, it would have needed to be either assimilated in the Pontic Steppe or very near from it (say, in the Cucuteni-Trypillian culture, around western Ukraine, Moldova and Romania), or at the junction between the two groups in central Europe (e.g. around the Czech Republic).

I see troubles!

[Lek]

I'm not against the idea that IEs might have picked up different paternal lineages on the road but the way the OP presents it is false. We know from the Natufian genomes that the earliest E folks were found in South Levant, so it is safe assume that haplogroup E1b1b (and its subclades) is originally from South Levant, it makes sense too considering there is a genetic continuity between Neolithic Farmers from Levant to Europe (Ötzi).

G and E1b1b were major Neolithic Farmer lineages.

How old is this paper btw? As im sure they found some E at a neolithic site in Hungary... + its ancestral clade in Croatia.. wasnt that at a neolithic site?

EV13 would of already been present in central Europe before IE people considering it was even found in Iberia etc if im not mistaken... it could of been picked up there by IE and into Balkans again... same for any other HG... that j2b2 in croatia found at tge bronze age site had quite some neolithic admix. but this guy seems to suggest it's from hunter gatherers? I'm not aware of any HG with any type of E but it's possible as one was even found with r1b but figuring all this shit out is like circle jerking because human migration and the mixing they did and different people asimilated into different routes etc is endless

Some E def could of come from Hallstatt with the proto Ilyrians though


I doubt EV 13 in Albanians is from hunter gatherers though

[Dema]

When did E-v13 man become white, was E-v13 mutation born as white or black man?

And i am not sure that is 100% confirmed that Haplo is not of North African origin, many people think that. His ancestor L618 must have been black man at some point if not his entire life period?

[Kelmendasi]

When did E-v13 man become white, was E-v13 mutation born as white or black man?

And i am not sure that is 100% confirmed that Haplo is not of North African origin, many people think that. His ancestor L618 must have been black man at some point if not his entire life period?

The first V13 was probably pale since he most likely evolved in the Balkans whilst L618 was probably swarthy like the Natufians since it expanded from the middle east

[Kelmendasi]

How old is this paper btw? As im sure they found some E at a neolithic site in Hungary... + its ancestral clade in Croatia.. wasnt that at a neolithic site?

EV13 would of already been present in central Europe before IE people considering it was even found in Iberia etc if im not mistaken... it could of been picked up there by IE and into Balkans again... same for any other HG... that j2b2 in croatia found at tge bronze age site had quite some neolithic admix. but this guy seems to suggest it's from hunter gatherers? I'm not aware of any HG with any type of E but it's possible as one was even found with r1b but figuring all this shit out is like circle jerking because human migration and the mixing they did and different people asimilated into different routes etc is endless

Some E def could of come from Hallstatt with the proto Ilyrians though


I doubt EV 13 in Albanians is from hunter gatherers though

V13 probably evolved in the Balkans based on the fact that it's father clade was found in ancient Dalmatia and iirc the E1b1b found in ancient Bulgaria/Thracia was also the father clade for V13

[Lek]

V13 probably evolved in the Balkans based on the fact that it's father clade was found in ancient Dalmatia and iirc the E1b1b found in ancient Bulgaria/Thracia was also the father clade for V13

I dont understand the neolithic bashing though, even from Bulgarian neolithic midgets like this Linebacker ... do these people know its better than being descendants of caucasoid-mongoloid yamnaya ....

[Kelmendasi]

I dont understand the neolithic bashing though, even from Bulgarian neolithic midgets like this Linebacker ... do these people know its better than being descendants of caucasoid-mongoloid yamnaya ....

I prefer Neolithic along with WHG over Yamnaya. Neolithics had the main SNPs for light skin so I don't know why people call them all swarthy and at least they peacefully entered Europe and intermixed peacefully with the WHG unlike the Steppe people who invaded and raped the native Neolithic and WHG population. I personally am proud to have a high Neolithic and WHG admix and low IE admix