Ghost Planes: No Planes Reality On 9/11

[Peasant]

Having seen photos of unmistakable airplane bits at the Pentagon taken by people involved in the cleanup, I am confident that the conspiracy buffs are flat out wrong on this. As for the moon landings, I know scientists who've worked with lunar samples and were involved with the Apollo project. Claims that the lunar landings were a hoax are, well, loony.

When I first started reading conspiracy theories years ago, before they got bat-shit insane and David Icke was popular, I always thought the theory the Pentagon was hit by a missile was retarded. This was apparently because there wasn't a perfect cut out of a plane, wings and all, in the wall.

[Sol Invictus]

We don't know what hit the Pentagram, but I don't believe it was a plane at all. From the video stills we have it's highly unlikely, and Hani Hanjour was a horrible pilot who couldn't even fly a small Cessna prop-plane, and was considered "a waste of resources" by his trainers at the Pensacola Naval Air Station, yet pulled off maneuvers in what commercial pilots considered nearly impossible, even for the most experienced.

On top of that there are about 50 cameras surrounding the area where the "plane" struck, and all of them are missing which is suspect. But you really can't deny that planes were flown into the towers, that is documented proof backed up by eye witness reports. The "no-planes theory" is a ridiculous disinfo piece to make the people fighting for an actual investigation into the 9/11 attacks look moronic. Don't fall for it.

[Breedingvariety]

There were no men on the moon either.

Suppose you get huge amounts of money for moon landing project. The project is expensive, so why not pay for cheap film and pocket the difference. It is a good scam as far as profits go if nothing else. I don't have strong opinion about authenticity of moon landing though. It may have been real.

We don't know what hit the Pentagram, but I don't believe it was a plane at all. From the video stills we have it's highly unlikely, and Hani Hanjour was a horrible pilot who couldn't even fly a small Cessna prop-plane, and was considered "a waste of resources" by his trainers at the Pensacola Naval Air Station, yet pulled off maneuvers in what commercial pilots considered nearly impossible, even for the most experienced.

On top of that there are about 50 cameras surrounding the area where the "plane" struck, and all of them are missing which is suspect. But you really can't deny that planes were flown into the towers, that is documented proof backed up by eye witness reports. The "no-planes theory" is a ridiculous disinfo piece to make the people fighting for an actual investigation into the 9/11 attacks look moronic. Don't fall for it.

No planer is a truther still and politically closer to other truthers than any non truthers. I don't find it crucial to debate weather planes were or were not used in the attack. It is more important to debate who did it. Once you start believing corporate government did it, the how they did question is just semantics and not the essence.

You believe pentagon wasn't hit by a plane. What about Pennsylvania incident? Anyway, if you believe planes were not used in these two instances, there's not much of a stretch of imagination to think planes were not used at all. No planes faction of truthers seems moronic to you, but only because you can't imagine such level of deception. To many people "9/11 was an inside job" sounds moronic because of incredible deception such reality would entail. To quote X-Files: "The truth is out there". And even though I don't believe in Aliens, I'm not so sure as I used to be. Once you put tinfoil hat on- kool aid drinkers start to seem moronic. Up and down change places.

On witnesses- 9/11 September Clues - Final Edition pt.9/9 :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_obYJUnpeVc

[Magister Eckhart]

To quote X-Files: "The truth is out there".

He's just quoted the X-Files to prove his argument... I think that says about all that needs to be said about these conspiracy nuts.

[The Lawspeaker]

He's just quoted the X-Files to prove his argument... I think that says about all that needs to be said about these conspiracy nuts.

Says a man that believes that Henry Kissinger has your best interest at heart and is working ceaselessly to protect "democracy and freedom around the world".

"Nuff said.

[Sol Invictus]

No planer is a truther still and politically closer to other truthers than any non truthers. I don't find it crucial to debate weather planes were or were not used in the attack. It is more important to debate who did it. Once you start believing corporate government did it, the how they did question is just semantics and not the essence.

Any serious member of the movement vigorously rejects the no planes theory and it is just as absurd as the ridiculous official story.

You believe pentagon wasn't hit by a plane. What about Pennsylvania incident?

I don't know, but this does not look like a plane crash I've ever seen.

Anyway, if you believe planes were not used in these two instances, there's not much of a stretch of imagination to think planes were not used at all. No planes faction of truthers seems moronic to you, but only because you can't imagine such level of deception.

You'd be surprised at what level of deception I could imagine, and the no planes disinfo theory is right up there with WikiLeaks.

[Eldritch]

There were no planes on 9/11. Twin Towers and pentagon were hit by missiles.

Are you going to tell that to the probably thousands of people who were on Manhattan on Sept. 11, 2001, who saw the World Trade Center towers hit by planes?

[Breedingvariety]

Are you going to tell that to the probably thousands of people who were on Manhattan on Sept. 11, 2001, who saw the World Trade Center towers hit by planes?

I haven't met them, have I? Have you?

I remember on 9/11 people weren't sure what happened. If it was so clear, why were so many witnesses telling they didn't see a plane?

But all media people "accidentally saw everything"- 9/11 September Clues - Final Edition pt.4/9:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4FSE9HO7Rc

[Eldritch]

I haven't met them, have I? Have you?

No, I haven't, but I bet it would not be difficult to find someone who did.

Besides, you haven't met anyone who saw the towers hit by missiles, either.

I remember on 9/11 people weren't sure what happened. If it was so clear, why were so many witnesses telling they didn't see a plane?

Just because not everyone on Manhattan saw the planes, doesn't mean that no-one did.

I've seen a video recording shot from street level, in which the first plane impacts into the northern tower in the background, and you hear someone shouting "holeeee shit!" (perhaps someone knows what I'm talking about?).

The kind of logistics it would have required to clear the entire island of everyone who's not in on the plot are mind-boggling.

[Vasconcelos]

This "discussion" is getting pretty ridiculous, all Breedingvariety is doing is posting lame and useless arguments. Maybe "we" should start doing the same.