Latest DNA study show that Myceneans and Minoans were Neolithic and non Indoeuropeans

[Kouros]

Mycenean vs. Seima Turbino


East Siberian Koryak vs Mycenean


Daggers (look at the chariot design)


Mycenaean Chariot


Ivory Head featuring Boar Tusk Helmet


Female head


I wonder if we'll ever see samples for seima-turbino culture.

Greek language was formed from Ancient Phoenecian language, Phoenecians were NOT Indo European people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_language

Both Latin and Greek have nothing to do with IE languages.

That's the alphabet... not the language...

That's another part of confusion you see.

Phoenecians and Egyptians aren't Semitic people even though nowdays they speak Arabic language (which was the language of Empire)

Greek obsession with Africa and Syria in Ancient times did not came by accident because Phoenecians, and Northern Egyptians from Alexandria, people of Tunis
it's all E1b1 people (Cousins of Greeks).

You may disagree with me but I've talked with people from Egypt who have confirmed to me that Hellenes from Egypt are Numerous, Alive and Well.

That's an interesting theory but Greece had contacts with almost every country, Ethiopia, Persia, Egypt.

Today dont exist greeks there, they are all Arabs.
Also Greeks have EV13 along with J2,R1b,R1a in compination

EV13 exist only in Balkans, dont exist out of Europe

I've seen quite a lot of Lebanese people that look very Greek and I suspect it's from colonization in 800BC.

[Ox Helicopters]

Calculators using modern populations as proxies or whatever don't matter much**; there are better methods that the researchers themselves utilized. Anyone who's actually interested will read the paper and see the 13% Yamnaya-like ancestry those Mycenaeans can be modelled with (and no one said they were significantly steppe in the first place), on top of the Minoan 'base', and that will be my final word on that since some people are resistant to reading the actual research.

**All of those populations already have steppe in them

Obviously scientific papers are more important than calculators. If the paper said they were 13% Steppe, that has more weight than Eurogenes k=36 components. I would not say that calculators are unimportant though, especially for modern individuals. As an example, one Ashkenazi Jew in the other thread has about 4% Northern/Eastern European ancestry, but another has about 20% Northern/Eastern European ancestry. Both of those individuals probably got around 94-98% Ashkenazi on a DNA test, but the calculators reveal some interesting things.

[ADonkeyBrain]

Obviously scientific papers are more important than calculators. If the paper said they were 13% Steppe, that has more weight than Eurogenes k=36 components. I would not say that calculators are unimportant though, especially for modern individuals. As an example, one Ashkenazi Jew in the other thread has about 4% Northern/Eastern European ancestry, but another has about 20% Northern/Eastern European ancestry. Both of those individuals probably got around 94-98% Ashkenazi on a DNA test, but the calculators reveal some interesting things.

If that test uses a few Ashkenazim to create an 'Ashkenazi' category to compare further Ashkenazim with, like some companies seem to do, by definition other Ashkenazim will score high on that, even if they differ in some of their ancestry (few populations are extremely homogeneous after all). Those people are trying to find something different about their ancestry usually so that's helpful for them. But sure I generally agree with you, the rest of my comment went towards some other commenters.

The problem in this particular case is that many of the components you combined to create those fewer categories will already have steppe in them so it can't tell us much for this purpose.

[Lek]

They were 30 percent steppe which was derived from Indoeuropeans. Otherwise they would be Sardinian like with no steppe. I would think only Pelasgian and Minoan cultures can be truly regarded as Fully Neolithic or absent steppe.

There were also different type of farmers. Sardinians don't have all those farmer inputs wile Italians and Balkanites do.

[Ox Helicopters]

If that test uses a few Ashkenazim to create an 'Ashkenazi' category to compare further Ashkenazim with, like some companies seem to do, by definition other Ashkenazim will score high on that, even if they differ in some of their ancestry (few populations are extremely homogeneous after all). Those people are trying to find something different about their ancestry usually so that's helpful for them. But sure I generally agree with you, my comment went towards some other commenters.

The problem in this particular case is that many of the components you combined to create those fewer categories will already have steppe in them so it can't tell us much for this purpose.

I believe all of the major DNA companies have an Ashkenazi category, so for those individuals who are 95% Ashkenazi, it does not exactly tell them about their breakdown in detail. I actually did not expect Ashkenazi individuals to have such wide variance in their Northern/Eastern European ancestry, for some individuals it is 15% or more, but for others it is only about 5%. For the Minoans and Myceneans, I agree it will not help much, the Northern/Eastern European component was created just to give a general picture of "Northern" ancestry for the Ashkenazi, not for Steppes or Germanic admixture or anything like that. I think we mainly agree on these issues.

[Graecian]

Nah, they were Nordic Viking Supermen, with muhblondeblueeyes and shieet

[Babak]

Myceneans had steppe though

[Kamal900]

Myceneans had steppe though

And they were Greeks who in turn are Indo-Europeans themselves.

[Graecian]

Myceneans had steppe though

Modern Greeks have way higher steppe admixture.
Mycenaeans having steppe admixture can mean one of the following: A steppe group migrated south and intermingled with the native Mycenaeans or a Mycenaean group migrated north, intermingled with the native Steppe peoples and returned south with that minor admixture.

Also, having a steppe minor influence, doesnt mean that this steppe is of ''nordic'' descent. The study specifically suggests that ALL mycenaean and minoan samples had dark hair, eyes and complexion. Something that can be seen in their artworks.

[Babak]

Modern Greeks have way higher steppe admixture.
Mycenaeans having steppe admixture can mean one of the following: A steppe group migrated south and intermingled with the native Mycenaeans or a Mycenaean group migrated north, intermingled with the native Steppe peoples and returned south with that minor admixture.

Also, having a steppe minor influence, doesnt mean that this steppe is of ''nordic'' descent. The study specifically suggests that ALL mycenaean and minoan samples had dark hair, eyes and complexion. Something that can be seen in their artworks.

yes