Bulgaria first Balkan state in history?

[Loki]

Greeks/Byzantium isn't Balkan.

Here Balkan countries (colored ones):


Greeks are more Mediterranean / South Euro than Balkan. Balkan is Serb, Bosnian, Bulgarian etc.

I guess it depends on your definition, but sure.. for the purpose of this thread. Let's exclude Greece here then.

[Loki]

How about Macedonia? Alexander the Great anyone?

[Böri]

Geographically Greece is part of the Balkan Peninsula, it ends on the Danube, but are other implications and therefore several definitions for Balkan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkans

I guess it depends on your definition, but sure.. for the purpose of this thread. Let's exclude Greece here then.

How about Macedonia? Alexander the Great anyone?

The author of the book also doesn't consider Greece to be Balkan. Greek culture was born and evolved in the genesis period in Morea and Aegean islands. The state of Alexander was an extension of it.
Most of modern Greece and a little part of Turkey are geographically Balkan, however in the general sense both Greece and Turkey aren't Balkan.

Britannica's definition of Balkans.

Balkans, also called Balkan Peninsula, easternmost of Europe’s three great southern peninsulas. There is not universal agreement on the region’s components. The Balkans are usually characterized as comprising Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro, Romania, Serbia, and Slovenia—with all or part of each of those countries located within the peninsula.
Portions of Greece and Turkey are also located within the geographic region generally defined as the Balkan Peninsula, and many descriptions of the Balkans include those countries too.

https://www.britannica.com/place/Balkans

I also agree with it, at some extent even Slovenia which is very Central Euro-influenced is more Balkan than Greece.

It's not just geography. The state taken into consideration must be born there.
Alexander's state and Byzantium controlled parts of Balkans but without being Balkan.

I also think, just like the author I referred to in the OP, the history of the Balkan states start with the Bulgars crossing the Danube in the 7th century.

[Stears]

Geographically Greece is part of the Balkan Peninsula, it ends on the Danube, but are other implications and therefore several definitions for Balkan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkans

It is a wrong map. Balkan was never a geographic but cultural-political reality. Western Christian countries Slovenia and Croatia were never considered part of Balkans, until the post-ww1 era (because of the creation of Yugoslavia).

While Romania was traditionaly always considered Balkan state, despite it is located north of the Danube.

[Laberia]

Sorry, it's obviously Greece.

For the first time an Greek state was established only in the XIX century. Before, simply does not exist a similar state.

[Laberia]

How about Macedonia? Alexander the Great anyone?

We don`t know who were the ancient Macedonians. Theories are different.

[Trilecce]

Greeks/Byzantium isn't Balkan.

Here Balkan countries (colored ones):


Greeks are more Mediterranean / South Euro than Balkan. Balkan is Serb, Bosnian, Bulgarian etc.

Thats just stupid. ITS CALLED THE BALKAN PENINSULA. and Greece is a very central part of it.

[Trilecce]

For the first time an Greek state was established only in the XIX century. Before, simply does not exist a similar state.

Greek city states? Did you forget about those?

[Böri]

Thats just stupid. ITS CALLED THE BALKAN PENINSULA. and Greece is a very central part of it.

Retard, I quote a historian in the OP, he says Bulgars created first Balkan state not me.

John V. A. Fine Jr. (born 1939) is an American historian and author. He is professor of Balkan and Byzantine history at the University of Michigan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Van_Antwerp_Fine_Jr.

Go tell him, he is Byzantinologist and Balkanologist, if he considers Byzantium and Alexander as non-Balkan that's more important than what you think.

[Laberia]

Greek city states? Did you forget about those?

But not a Greek state.