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    "Live Long and Prosper" versus "May the Force Be With You": Which popular sci-fi franchise did more to shape today's pop culture and in the end affect people's individual worldviews, be it in a positive or negative fashion?

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    STARGATE

    I'm not that much of a fan of George Lucas, and Trekkies are... well, weird.

    Stargate's awesome.


    EDIT: I think the Trekkies can take credit for making Sci-Fi what it is today. George Lucas just cashed in on it with Star Wars and took Sci-Fi to the mainstream.

    What a tool.

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    I think the original 3 star wars films have had the biggest impact on sci-fi (and popular-culture)then the Treks, the 3 star wars films were made and merchandised to death, where as the trek films from that time didn't have such a big impact. As a child, me and my friends were all star wars, helped by all the toy's no doubt, star trek was hardly thought of.

    I think Star Trek was more for adults and Star Wars more for kids. I mean look at Return of the Jedi the worst of the original 3. Teddy bears fighting the might of the empire and it's technology, only a kid could buy into that!

    Of course Star Wars also has the greatest sci-fi baddie ever, in Darth Vader.

    Today my kids love Star Wars (aided some what by the Lego star wars games), but Trek they have no interest in.

    I have even seen talk of the new star trek film having a star wars influence!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aemma View Post
    "Live Long and Prosper" versus "May the Force Be With You": Which popular sci-fi franchise did more to shape today's pop culture
    Star Wars.

    and in the end affect people's individual worldviews, be it in a positive or negative fashion?
    I think Star Wars has the bigger fan base, deservedly so, but I don't think they're a worldview changer.

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    STARGATE

    and Trekkies are... well, weird.
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    Stargate's awesome.
    Ever visit the Gateworld forum?

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    While I can really get into some Star Trek, I think Star Wars is in a league of it's own. As some may know I'm a great fan of Joseph Campbell, and so is George Lucas..

    George Lucas was the first Hollywood filmmaker to openly credit Campbell's influence. Lucas stated following the release of the first Star Wars film in 1977 that its story was shaped, in part, by ideas described in The Hero With a Thousand Faces and other works of Campbell's. The linkage between Star Wars and Campbell was further reinforced when later reprints of Campbell's book used the image of Mark Hamill as Luke Skywalker on the cover.[9] Lucas discusses this influence at great length in the official biography of Joseph Campbell, Joseph Campbell: A Fire in the Mind by Stephen and Robin Larsen:

    I [Lucas] came to the conclusion after American Graffiti that what's valuable for me is to set standards, not to show people the world the way it is...around the period of this realization...it came to me that there really was no modern use of mythology...The Western was possibly the last generically American fairy tale, telling us about our values. And once the Western disappeared, nothing has ever taken its place. In literature we were going off into science fiction...so that's when I started doing more strenuous research on fairy tales, folklore, and mythology, and I started reading Joe's books. Before that I hadn't read any of Joe's books...It was very eerie because in reading The Hero with a Thousand Faces I began to realize that my first draft of Star Wars was following classic motifs...so I modified my next draft [of Star Wars] according to what I'd been learning about classical motifs and made it a little bit more consistent...I went on to read 'The Masks of God' and many other books (Larsen and Larsen, 2002: 541).

    It was not until after the completion of the original Star Wars trilogy in 1983, however, that Lucas met Campbell or heard any of his lectures.[10] The 1988 documentary The Power of Myth was filmed at Lucas' Skywalker Ranch. During his interviews with Bill Moyers, Campbell discusses the way in which Lucas used The Hero's Journey in the Star Wars films (IV, V, and VI) to re-invent the mythology for the contemporary viewer. Moyers and Lucas filmed an interview 12 years later in 1999 called the Mythology of Star Wars with George Lucas & Bill Moyers to further discuss the impact of Campbell's work on Lucas' films.[11] In addition, the National Air and Space Museum of the Smithsonian Institution sponsored an exhibit during the late 1990s called Star Wars: The Magic of Myth, which discussed the ways in which Campbell's work shaped the Star Wars films.[12] A companion guide of the same name was published in 1997.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Campbell
    Mythology of Star Wars with George Lucas & Bill Moyers can be watched here..

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    Star Wars, definitely. And I prefer Episode I-III over IV-VI. Very unorthodox, I know. I love the politics, and the early films are very lacking in that aspect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maelstrom View Post
    STARGATE

    Stargate's awesome.
    this does look like fun.

    is this from the notorious showtime episodes?


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    I grew up on Star Trek so I am partial to it. But my favorite int he genre is neither. It is Babylon5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lei.talk View Post
    this does look like fun.

    is this from the notorious showtime episodes?
    Uhmm lei.talk, are you sure you posted in the proper thread?

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    I grew up with Star Trek. It's like ingrained into you. I did like the Star Wars with Harrison Ford, I think he made those movies better.
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