What if Turks had never existed?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

shut up Turk

He is not real Turk. He is slavicized Turk.

[Proto-Shaman]

He is not real Turk. He is slavicized Turk.

I already implied it by insulting him as a "Turk"

[glass]

Silver coins issued by Vladimir of Rus' (Slavic leader who converted East Slavs to Orthodoxy officially in 988 A.D.) in the 10th century:

THis symbol has nothing to do with neither turks nor turkic speaking people. It is originated in Bosporan_Kingdom. Where it was used as symbol of king's power.

[Böri]

THis symbol has nothing to do with neither turks nor turkic speaking people. It is originated in Bosporan_Kingdom. Where it was used as symbol of king's power.

Nice delusion.
The Rus (Slavs and Rurikids) didn't only use Turkic Khazar seals as their symbol of Qut and authority. They also used the Turkic title Kaghan for centuries as another element establishing their rightful rule's basis as Princes.

Christianization and the Rise of Christian Monarchy: Scandinavia, Central ...
Nora Berend
page 395


So the Rus' doesn't only use symbols and seals of Khazars but also their ruling titles...

East Slavs and East Vikings in the far west and Mongols in the far east adopted their state-building, nobility-establishing symbols and titles from Turkic elites.

[Böri]

Rus' Trident and use of Kaghan title were surely inherited from Turks. Some historians even argue that Kievan Rus' was founded on the structures of Khazars in their adminstration, army and laws.

Hybrid Rule and State Formation: Public-Private Power in the 21st Century
by Shelley Hurt, Ronnie Lipschutz





The first Rus' polity (government, society) was Rus' Kaghanate...

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Rus' Trident and use of Kaghan title were surely inherited from Turks. Some historians even argue that Kievan Rus' was founded on the structures of Khazars in their adminstration, army and laws.

Hybrid Rule and State Formation: Public-Private Power in the 21st Century
by Shelley Hurt, Ronnie Lipschutz





The first Rus' polity (government, society) was Rus' Kaghanate...

Sorry, but not. Kievan Rus was established by Vikings. Search about Kievan Rus ruler "Vladimir". He is from Scandinavia by origin. His Vikings mixed with Slavic tribes and Russian nation is created. His vikings were called "Rus" people.

Russians are Slavs, not turkic.

[Böri]

Sorry, but not. Kievan Rus was established by Vikings. Search about Kievan Rus ruler "Vladimir". He is from Scandinavia by origin. His Vikings mixed with Slavic tribes and Russian nation is created. His vikings were called "Rus" people.

Russians are Slavs, not turkic.

Yes Kievan Rus' was established by Ruriks and East Slavs. We talk about adoption of symbols, titles, and possibly some governance systems from Turks (Khazars) during genesis of their state. That's what the quote also meant. So here, Kaghanate means title with governance system elements not that they were Turkic or Ashina clan.
I dont claim Rus was ethnically Turkic, they werent.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Yeah were it not for Turks, the Balkans (Turkish word) would never be called Balkans.
Were it not for Avar and Bulgar Turks, the Balkan natives would have never acquired the capabilities to organise themselves into a state and establish a nobility system.
Turkic Bulgars created the first Balkan state, and its Avars + Bulgars who are in the origin of Balkan nobility system. Even the word Boyar, referring later to Orthodox Slavic and Vlah noblemen is Bulgar (Türkic).

Word and Power in Mediaeval Bulgaria,
By Ivan Biliarsky,
page 38

Boyar definition:




The Racial Idea in the Independent State of Croatia: Origins and Theory
By Nevenko Bartulin
page 105


So were it not for Turks, Byzantine and Roman states would probably be sucking Balkan natives and Slavs for some more centuries, using them as tax-paying and slave-providing materials.

We had our Slavic word for Balkan. "Hemus".

[Сербо Макеридов]

Yes Kievan Rus' was established by Ruriks and East Slavs. We talk about adoption of symbols, titles, and possibly some governance systems from Turks (Khazars) during genesis of their state. That's what the quote also meant. So here, Kaghanate means title with governance system elements not that they were Turkic or Ashina clan.
I dont claim Rus was ethnically Turkic, they werent.

Kievan Rus (Viking-Slavic blood) crash Turkic Khazar state, deal wit it.

[Bosniensis]

Kievan Rus (Viking-Slavic blood) crash Turkic Khazar state, deal wit it.

We are not Vikings, Kievan Rus was.... so how modern Serbians managed to find connection between Russia and Serbia.

Astonishing.