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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellenas View Post
    Conclusion:

    According to some Greek members here Anatolian Greeks are Hellenized Anatolians. Since a big number of them mixed with the rest of Greeks and since all of them are part of the Greek nation, according to these members. Greeks partly are Hellenized Anatolians(Armenoids!!!) in race and genes. According to many Greeks here, all Greek foods Anatolian Greek refugees brought, either were Turkish, Persian or Arab and so their music and dances. So according to this view, modern Greek gastronomy and music/dances is partly Turkish/Persian/Arab.

    So according to many Greek members here adsız is right, Greeks are partly Anatolians, Turkish, Arab, Levantine in race, gastronomy, music and dances.

    I wonder why you fight while you agree with Turks?

    You want to blame for all these Anatolian Greeks, fine, they are mainland Greeks since '23, everything they had has been assimilated by mainland Greeks. Anatolian Greeks are not a separate people, they are a basic ingredient of the Greek mainland body, it's like blaming your hand for something while you try to cut it.

    Greeks hitting they own selves!

    "Souvlaki is a typical Greek dish of roasted pieces of meat, which is famous all over the world and is mainly served in special souvlaki shops."

    https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A3...AC%CE%BA%CE%B9

    Most famous Greek food:

    Can you guess which one comes first?

    https://www.google.gr/search?q=most+...-bMlRjP8dQfaM:



    Most businesses in Greece are cafes(don't foget that coffe came from Constantnople, it's Anatolian) and of course gyro shops(also came from Constantinople).

    http://www.tovima.gr/finance/article/?aid=616391


    There is not even one corner in Greece without one gyro shop.






    And I have never ever met any Greek in my whole life who don't eat gyro.






    Some mainland Greeks here hardly try to dissociate Greece with Greek Asia Minor. Usually some Vlachs, provincials and other peripheral people. To our Athenian ears in the capital all those sound as goat hearders!




    Constantinople was the center of Greeks for 1100 years, get over it Vlachs!

    Souvlaki (kalamaki, not gyros) is neither Anatolian nor vlach. it's from Livadia, and nothing similar is common in turkey.

    anyway, in spite of some of these influence being not only both native and anatolian, but also pan-southern European (for example kokoretsi, which the turk advertises as turkish exists in many Southern European countries), there is no Turkish influence in both anatolian Greeks and Greeks proper, as anything in common between Greece and Turkey is not common between Greece and further central Asia

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    Quote Originally Posted by wvwvw View Post
    Albanian wedding



    Philipino wedding

    what has albania to do with the issue?

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    Raine, don`t be stupid, nobody is trolling here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brennus dux gallorum View Post
    Souvlaki (kalamaki, not gyros) is neither Anatolian nor vlach. it's from Livadia, and nothing similar is common in turkey.
    Kalamaki (small reed) is a synonym for souvlaki proper in Athens, where the word Souvlaki is used colloquially for any kind of pita wraps.

    A meat and bread recipe which resembles the way pita souvlaki is served today, with pita bread was also attested by Athenaeus in Deipnosophistae and called the plate κάνδαυλος, kandaulos.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Souvlaki

    Η συνταγή είναι γνωστή από την ελληνική αρχαιότητα. Χαρακτηριστική είναι η αναφορά του Αθήναιου στο έργο του Δειπνοσοφιστές, ότι ο Ηγήσιππος στο Οψαρτυτικό του, δηλ. στον οδηγό μαγειρικής που έγραψε, αναφέρει ένα έδεσμα που λεγόταν κάνδαυλος και ήταν κάτι ανάλογο με το σημερινό σουβλάκι. Συνδύαζε κομμάτια από ψητό κρέας, πίτα, τυρί και άνηθο και σερβιριζόταν με ζουμί (Αθήναιος, Δειπνοσοφιστές, 12, 516d).
    Το σουβλάκι από εντόσθια αναφέρεται σε ρωμαϊκά κείμενα του 1ου αιώνα μ.Χ. αλλά και αργότερα στην Κωνσταντινούπολη, όπου μετά την άλωση, μικροπωλητές πωλούσαν στους δρόμους εκτός από φρούτα ή λαχανικά, και σουβλάκι με πίτα. Η λέξη «σουβλάκι» προέρχεται από τη σούβλα που με τη σειρά της προέρχεται από το Λατινικό Subulus.

    https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A3...AC%CE%BA%CE%B9

    Γύρος

    Τα μικρομάγαζα που άνοιξαν το 1922-1923 οι πρόσφυγες από τη Σμύρνη και την Κωνσταντινούπολη μετά τον πόλεμο εξαπλώθηκαν σε κάθε γωνιά της Ελλάδας. Οι συνταγές του γύρου εξαπλώθηκαν με την μετανάστευση ως την Αμερική και την Αυστραλία.

    Gyros

    The small shops opened in 1922-1923 by refugees from Smyrna and Constantinople after the war spread to every corner of Greece. The recipes of gyros war spread with migration to America and Australia.

    https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%93...81%CE%BF%CF%82

    Gyro

    Souvlaki is attested in Greece since antiquity and it was known with the name ὀâåëßóêïò (obeliskos),[3] dim. of ὀâåëüò (obelos), "spit",[4] mentioned amongst others in the works of Aristophanes,[5] Xenophon,[6] Aristotle,[7] etc. A meat and bread recipe which resembles the way pita souvlaki is served today, with pita bread was also attested by Athenaeus in Deipnosophistae and called the plate kandaulos. The skewed meat, kebab-like recipe, existed as a favourite in ancient Greece at Archaic times, as the earliest references are attested in Homer.[8]

    Origins

    Τhere are also, several stories regarding the Hellenic origin of gyros: One says that the first "gyrádiko" was (Giorgos) which brought gyros to Thessaloniki in 1900, from the Greek immigrants of Constantinople.

    http://hellas2010.proboards.com/thre...ki-gyros-greek

    Kebabs

    Kebabs were as popular among the ancient Greeks as they are today. Homer tells us how Achilles organised a barbecue when he had envoys from Troy to dinner.

    ancient Greeks from Homer to Aristophanes wrote about an earlier variant of the kebab, the obeliskos (meaning 'little spit').

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kebab

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    Greeks have these items the same reason Mexicans have elements of Spanish culture or Jamaicans have elements of British culture.
    So what you claim is Anatolian Greeks adopted them from Turks!



    Greek Anatolian dishes

    The dishes that can be found in Greek and Turkish cuisine are not turkic neither turkish, they are Costantinopolitan, Ionian, Pontian, Greek cappadocian etc. Especially most are Constantinopolitan and Greeks made them since the Byzantine age. They are a mix of everything, of Greek dishes, of Armenian, of Geogian, of Levantine, Jewish, Crimean, Russian, west European, Arab etc. The Turks just adopted the Constantinopolitan cuisine that made by Greeks who used all kind of elements from everywhere.

    The cuisine that came with Anatolian Greeks in mainland Greece called as Politiki(meaning Constaninopolitan) cuisine not "Turkish".

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    Many names of Greek dishes reveal Turkish, Arabic or Persian sources such as baklava, tzatziki, moussaka or keftedes. Some of these dishes, however, may have existed before Otto's years, but to them Turkish names were given later. (Weichselbaum, 2009)

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    ALL EUROPEAN COFFES ARE ARAB IN ORIGIN AND CAME FROM TURKEY!



    A cup of Turkish coffee.

    History

    The earliest evidence of coffee drinking comes from 15th-century Yemen.[1] By the late 15th century and early 16th century, coffee had spread to Cairo and Mecca.[2][3] In the 1640s, the Ottoman chronicler ?brahim Pecevi reported the opening of the first coffeehouse in Istanbul.

    Countries where they use to drink "Turkish coffe"

    Arab world: Yemen, Oman, South Western Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, Iran.

    Albania

    Armenia

    Azerbaijan

    Bosnia and Herzegovina

    Bulgaria

    Croatia

    Cyprus

    Greece

    Hungary

    Israel

    FYROM(Fake-Macedonia)

    Romania

    Serbia

    Slovenia



    Neither rest "European coffes" are European

    The history of coffee goes at least as far back as the thirteenth century with a number of myths surrounding its first use. The original native population of coffee could have come from Ethiopia, Sudan or Kenya, and it was cultivated by Arabs from the 14th century.[1] The earliest credible evidence of either coffee drinking or knowledge of the coffee tree appears in the middle of the fifteenth century, in the Sufi monasteries of Yemen.[2] By the 16th century, it had reached the rest of the Middle East, Persia, Turkey and northern Africa. Coffee then spread to Balkans, Italy and to the rest of Europe, to Indonesia and then to the Americas.[3]

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    Enjoy now your "European", in fact Arabian-Turkish in origin, coffe!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    That isn't kebab then, it is closer to something served in southern Spain that I have eaten at a tapas restaurant.
    Or in Italy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toppo900 View Post
    But we also eat a lot of fish and olive oil in our cooking as well. At least in the Levant.
    Arabs in the Levante traditionaly plant Olives and make Oil from Olives which they use in their cuisine same as Meditereanean Europeans
    Spanish,Italians,Greeks

    But Turks have actually no tradition in planting Olives neither in making Oil out of them.

    You can look at any traditional Ottoman cookbook"i have read some" there are many of them available.

    They never use Olive Oil they always use butter.
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    It's also practiced in Afghanistan, too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myanthropologies View Post
    It's also practiced in Afghanistan, too

    In South East Europe its mainly a custom used by Gypsies

    When Gypsies do weddings they always use to throw money at the musicians instead of paying them a fixed salary

    Its their way of doing it
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