Traditional Albanian Cities/Architecture

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Ok sent me an Engyclopedia which support that Epirus tribes were not Greeks but Illyrians.
I wait

1774
Johann Thunmann:
On the History and Language
of the Albanians and Vlachs

The first people that history recognises in this region are the Illyrians, a large and mighty nation living on the Adriatic Sea, from the Po to the Ambracian Gulf, and northwards to the Danube. Strabo believes that this people spread westwards to Lake Constance, through Noricum and Vindelicia. He also asserts that the Pannonians stemmed from this people. Appian notes clearly that the Pannonians were Illyrians. The Istrians, Japodes, Dalmatae, Liburnians, Dardanians, Ardiaei, Autariates, in short, all the peoples down to the Ceraunian mountains are generally regarded as Illyrians. But they also inhabited wide reaches of Macedonia, Epirus and Thessaly.
Only a small portion of Macedonia was inhabited by the Greeks. The mass of the population was Illyrian and Thracian. The Dassaretae, the Lyncestae, the Bryges or Phrygians, the Pelagones, The Eordi, the Elimiotes, the Atintanes, the inhabitants of the region around Candavia, Pella, Edessa and Verva have all been expressly referred to as Illyrian. To a great extent, it was almost only the towns on the coast that had Greek inhabitants. The Macedonians had a language of their own that was also spoken in the regions along the Ionian Sea across from Corfu and, thus in Greek Illyria and Epirus.
There were also many non-Greek peoples in Epirus who, as noted above, spoke the Macedonian language, or the Illyrian language, which was probably the same thing. But the Greek colonies here and the dynasty of Aeacides introduced the Greek language such that the various peoples spoke two languages. The Amphilochans further to the south also belonged to this group, and for this reason are also referred to as barbarians by Thucydides. In Thessaly there were also other peoples of foreign origin, such as the Perrhaedans, referred to by Appian as Illyrians, the Athamanes, the Aethices, the Tymphaei and the Penestae, the Helots of the Thessalians, who had probably been the same people as the Illyrian Penestae. Scylax notes that only beyond Ambracia, the Peneus and the town or mountain of Homotion in Magnesia, had the Greeks begun to inhabit the region in a compact manner. In Strabo’s time, the barbarians owned large parts of Greece, and he reports that the Thracians inhabited Macedonia and parts of Thessaly at that time.

Source:
from: Johann Thunmann, Über die Geschichte und Sprache der Albaner und der Wlachen (Leipzig 1774). Translated from the German by Robert Elsie.

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'In October 1984, 70 historians and archaeologists from Greece, Albania, Romania, Italy and several other countries of Europe convened in Clermont-Ferrand, France. They held a colloquium with a group of Specialists in ancient history who were working there under the direction of Proffesor Pierre Kaban, the renowned expert on Epirus. They compared studies on the tribal and ethnic groups which gradually organised into urban life, then federated into state organisations. They compared juridical institutions such as family right of ownership, the role of the woman in the family and the procedure in freeing slaves. Similarities of Epirotes centers like Dodona and those of Southern Illyria were evidenced by the layout, architecture, and political organisation, also the circulation of coins, the structure of groves, the burial rites and articles found in the tumuli. But scholars concluded that from early antiquity until the Roman times THAT CULTURE OF SOUTHERN ILLYRIA AND EPIRUS, INCLUDING MOLOSSIA, WAS QUITE DIFFERENT FROM THAT OF CLASSICAL GREECE AS FOUND IN ATHENS AND SPARTA' (Jaques 1995:80/81)

Bibliography:

Edwin.E.Jaques 1995 'The Albanians: An ethnic history from prehistoric times to the present'

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Ancient Greek settlements in Albania. Classical Epirus shown in grey. Borders of ancient Epirus (blue), Macedonia (green).


Tribes of Epirus in antiquity


The Roman provinces of Epirus.in relation to modern borders.

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1774
Johann Thunmann:
On the History and Language
of the Albanians and Vlachs

Source:
from: Johann Thunmann, Über die Geschichte und Sprache der Albaner und der Wlachen (Leipzig 1774). Translated from the German by Robert Elsie.

I ask for Modern Day Encyclopedias and you sent me someones writings from 1774???
Is this a joke??
Today is proven after Coins and Statues finding in the region that both Epirus and Macedonia were 100% Greek tribes and
have nothing to do with Illyrians

I trust only Britannica and that is what asked for, reliable source that all modern Historians accept.
This is what Brittanica say about Albanians in Epirus and when they come in the region:

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The city appears in the historical record dating back in 1336 by its Greek name, Αργυρόκαστρο - Argyrokastro

During the Ottoman period conversions to Islam and an influx of Muslim converts from the surrounding countryside made Gjirokastër go from being an overwhelmingly Christian city in the 16th century into one with a large Muslim population by the early 19th century.

Taken by the Hellenic Army during the Balkan Wars of 1912–3 on account of its large Greek population,[8] it was eventually incorporated into the newly independent state of Albania in 1913. This proved highly unpopular with the local Greek population, who rebelled; after several months of guerrilla warfare, the short-lived Autonomous Republic of Northern Epirus was established in 1914 with Gjirokastër as its capital. It was definitively awarded to Albania in 1921.[9] In more recent years, the city witnessed anti-government protests that lead to the Albanian civil war of 1997.[10]

Along Muslim and Orthodox Albanians, the city is also home to a substantial Greek minority.[11][12] The city together with Sarandë, is considered one of the centers of the Greek community in Albania, and there is a consulate of Greece.

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I ask for Modern Day Encyclopedias and you sent me someones writings from 1774???
Is this a joke??
Today is proven after Coins and Statues finding in the region that both Epirus and Macedonia were 100% Greek tribes and
have nothing to do with Illyrians

I trust only Britannica and that is what asked for, reliable source that all modern Historians accept.
This is what Brittanica say about Albanians in Epirus and when they come in the region:

Herodotus' HISTORY BOOK 7 (POLYMNIA) Complete

Moreover a wall had once been built at this pass, and in old times there was a gate set in it; which wall was built by the Phokians, who were struck with fear because the Thessalians had come from the land of the Thesprotians to settle in the Aiolian land, the same which they now possess. Since then the Thessalians, as they supposed, were attempting to subdue them, the Phokians guarded themselves against this beforehand; and at that time they let the water of the hot springs run over the passage, that the place might be converted into a ravine, and devised every means that the Thessalians might not make invasion of their land. Now the ancient wall had been built long before, and the greater part of it was by that time in ruins from lapse of time; the Hellenes however resolved to set it up again, and at this spot to repel the Barbarian from Hellas: and very near the road there is a village called Alpenoi, from which the Hellenes counted on getting supplies.

http://www.ellopos.net/elpenor/greek...ry-7.asp?pg=73

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Greeks derailing an thread in Albanian subforum. But especially the video of Raine is very offensive.
Pedakia, tomorrow don't start to cry.

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Interesting is the fact that the descendants of the Christian Turks who arrived in Greece during the exchange of population between Turkey and Greece, are the most active from greek members of this forum in this discussion about Epir. They are aware that they were settled in a stolen land.

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Greeks derailing an thread in Albanian subforum. But especially the video of Raine is very offensive.
Pedakia, tomorrow don't start to cry.

You do the derailing, why don't you tell us one thing Illyrian about the Epirotes.

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Ancient Greek settlements in Albania. Classical Epirus shown in grey. Borders of ancient Epirus (blue), Macedonia (green).


Tribes of Epirus in antiquity


The Roman provinces of Epirus.in relation to modern borders.

Who is the author/s of the map Raine, Alexikoua again?