Traditional Albanian Cities/Architecture

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Interesting is the fact that the descendants of the Christian Turks who arrived in Greece during the exchange of population between Turkey and Greece, are the most active from greek members of this forum in this discussion about Epir. They are aware that they were settled in a stolen land.

They arrived because their land which was part of Greece, was annexed by the Turks. That was internal migration from one part of Greece to another. Those people were never called Turks unlike your people who were known as Turkalbanians.

[DarknessWin]

Herodotus' HISTORY BOOK 7 (POLYMNIA) Complete

http://www.ellopos.net/elpenor/greek...ry-7.asp?pg=73

Why you sent me that and what is supposed to mean with this???
I want proofs like Britannica and Herodotus tell nothing about Albanians or that Epirotans were not Greeks. Barbarian term is just political and modern Historians can explain this to you better if you ever read some modern Encyclopedias .
Albanians come dont to the Region of Epirus along with Serbs in 1318

Thats enough

[wvwvw]

Ok sent me an Engyclopedia which support that Epirus tribes were not Greeks but Illyrians.
I wait

Lol even genetic studies show the Epirotes were Greek. They spoke the North-West dialect of Greek. The most important centre of the Zeus cult was located in Epirus.

As for Pyrrhus also known as Neoptolemos he was the son of the Achilles and the princess Deidamia (one of King Lycomedes's seven daughters). Homer calls them Hellenes.

[wvwvw]

Why are Albanians from Epirus genetically close to Greeks and both are genetically close to Myceneans and Minoans if they're Illyrian?

Macedonians and other Greeks never regarded Illyrians as their kinsmen. Alexander the Great left no doubt as to who the Ancient Macedonians were by emphasizing the Otherness of the Illyrians, in contrast to them.

Ancient Macedonians/Epirotes and Illyrians had a different Religion and different Customs

Since Macedonians/Epirotes were Greeks, they shared the common religious and cultural features of the Hellenic world. Consequently the gods worshipped among Southern Greeks can also be found in Macedonia and Epirus.

On the other hand, the 12 gods of Olympus were not shared by Illyrians. Aristophanes in his “Όρνιθες” places the gods οf the Triballians/Illyrians above Zeus, distinguishing this way the 12 Olympian Gods from the gods of Triballians/Illyrians. A clear delimitation of the Hellenic world and its borders with Illyrians. Similarly, those two ancient people had different culture. Herodotus refers to the Eneti tribe in Illyria and their habit of taking their daughters to the marketplace to sell them for marriage, a Barbarian custom which was found only among Babylonians.

The ancient sources leave no doubt that the ancients saw among Macedonians and Illyrians not only two different people, but the persistent source-tradition portrays Illyrians as the greatest enemies of Macedonians. Illyrian incursions in Macedonian territory was a frequent phenomenon before Philip’s Reign.

During Perdiccas and Brasidas joint expedition, their Illyrian Allies changed sides without scruples and became the chief instrument or the explulsion of the Macedonian expeditionary force. Later, Illyrians resisted the power of Archelaos‘ resurgent Macedon. Amyntas, the father of Philip II, was driven out of his country by Illyrians who invaded Macedonia. He could surely give up hope for his crown, had the Thessalians not decided to intervene, in order to restore him to his throne. Philip’s brother, Perdiccas III was killed during a battle against Illyrians together with 4,000 Macedonians. Phillip’s massive victory against the Bardyllis, possibly in 359 BC, put an end to the ambitious plans of the Illyrian king.

Alexander the Great, in the battle of Pelium (335 BC) defeated the Illyrian forces of Glaukias and Cleitus. The persistent armed conflicts between the two rival people kept up during Hellenistic ages till the Roman Occupation.

[Laberia]

Why you sent me that and what is supposed to mean with this???
I want proofs like Britannica and Herodotus tell nothing about Albanians or that Epirotans were not Greeks. Barbarian term is just political and modern Historians can explain this to you better if you ever read some modern Encyclopedias .
Albanians come dont to the Region of Epirus along with Serbs in 1318

Thats enough

According to Oxford dictionary a barbarian is: 2. Hist. a. One not a Greek.
Albanians are natives in Epir and didn't arrived in Epir with servs in 1318. Albanians were ruler of Epir and exactly Gjirokastër before the year 1318 mentioned by you. The Albanian ruling family of the region was Zenebishti or Zenevisi:

The "Zenevias", probably the Zenevisi, are mentioned in 1304 as one of the families that were granted privileges by the Angevin Philip I, Prince of Taranto.[1] According to Robert Elsie, the family originated from the Zagoria region between Gjirokastra and Përmet, in modern-day southern Albania.[2]

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According to Oxford dictionary a barbarian is: 2. Hist. a. One not a Greek.
Albanians are natives in Epir and didn't arrived in Epir with servs in 1318. Albanians were ruler of Epir and exactly Gjirokastër before the year 1318 mentioned by you. The Albanian ruling family of the region was Zenebishti or Zenevisi:

The natives before their partial Albanisation were Greek. I say partial because a sizeable Greek minority is still there. Why you think there is no mention of Albanian Sqhiptaris until the 11th century?

[Kouros]

Some of the Skhondra pics remind me of Greek islands and Italy. Really nice.

[wvwvw]

According to Oxford dictionary a barbarian is: 2. Hist. a. One not a Greek.
Albanians are natives in Epir and didn't arrived in Epir with servs in 1318. Albanians were ruler of Epir and exactly Gjirokastër before the year 1318 mentioned by you. The Albanian ruling family of the region was Zenebishti or Zenevisi:

A barbarian was not only someone who was not Greek. Athenians called even those who did not speak the Attic dialect of Greek barbarians. And politicians frequently called each other barbarians.

The differences between the Athenians and the Megarians portrayed in Old Comedy show that the stereotype of the Dorian Megarians shares certain characteristics with both barbarian groups and the (mostly Ionian) subjects/allies of Athens. In addition to the lengthy scene with the Megarian merchant in the Akharnians, fourteen other references create a vivid and consistent stereotype of Megara: the comic poets repeatedly characterize the Megarians, like the barbarians and the Athenian subjects/allies, as inferior, vulgar, childlike, and conniving.

Prof. Florence concludes:
“Why do the Megarians not conform to the comic stereotypes of other Dorian groups? I suggest in the second part of the paper that the stereotype of the Megarians is inextricably linked to Athenian imperial ideology. By attributing characteristics typically associated with barbarians and subjects/allies to their Megarian neighbors, the comic poets suggest that the local Greek landscape requires Athenian control and, thereby, sanction Athenian mastery over it.”

[DarknessWin]

According to Oxford dictionary a barbarian is: 2. Hist. a. One not a Greek.
Albanians are natives in Epir and didn't arrived in Epir with servs in 1318. Albanians were ruler of Epir and exactly Gjirokastër before the year 1318 mentioned by you. The Albanian ruling family of the region was Zenebishti or Zenevisi:

I am Greek so let me know better what the greek word Barbarian meaning ,
Athenians used the term politically and especially for enemy Greek tribes that have not Democracy.
Also used it for rude people not matter Greek or not

Britannica say that Albanians came in 1318 to Epirus and not me

[Arjana]

This is beautiful
its Greek city actually and name come from Αργυρόκαστρο - Argyrokastro

Gjirokastra was never '' greek'' in it's entire history.

It was the center of Roman-Albanian nobles in the 12th and 13th centuries and the center of Zenebishti Albanian Principality in the 14th and 15th centuries.

It was also called the city of Albanian Vezires because of the high amount of high ranking Albanian Ottoman oficial that came from this city.

It was also very important for the Albanian Lord, Ali Pashe Tepelena.

It was also a center of Albanian patriotism.

It's stone architecture is typical albanian.

How the names comes it is still a mystery . It was called Gjinokaster by albanians for centuries.

You have went off topic and all the idiocies states here in this thread will be deleted.

Dont go off topic again.