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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    I mean Greek controlled, not Greek ethnically. And it's not really antiquity but the Kingdom of Epirus had control over it at one point and so did other Byzantine states.
    Let the ancient Epirotes out if this because you aregoing 2400 years back.

    '' Byzantines'' were not an ethnicity, but a mix of different people that identified with the roman empire.

    Many of this people were orthodox Albanians. and the term '' byzantines'' themselves is a rescent invention because the empire was called '' the roman empire''.

    The Empire was initiated by Illyrian Emperors, specifically Constantine the Great, was ruled until 585 by Illyrian Emperors and the greatest Emperor was another Illyrian, Justinian the Great.

    Albanians continued to be citiznes of this empire until middle ages and even with a special status of self governance which other nations did not have.

    Albanian nobles ruling in albanian lands had extensive marriages and blood relations associated with high atitles from both Komnennos and Paleologo dynasties.

    Even the State of Skanderbeg was called the last '' byzantine'' land for example.

    These are simple facts that you should know, simple terms and definitions.

    The ignorance of some Albanians is insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjana View Post
    Let the ancient Epirotes out if this because you aregoing 2400 years back.

    '' Byzantines'' were not an ethnicity, but a mix of different people that identified with the roman empire.

    Many of this people were orthodox Albanians. and the term '' byzantines'' themselves is a rescent invention because the empire was called '' the roman empire''.

    The Empire was initiated by Illyrian Emperors, specifically Constantine the Great, was ruled until 585 by Illyrian Emperors and the greatest Emperor was another Illyrian, Justinian the Great.

    Albanians continued to be citiznes of this empire until middle ages and even with a special status of self governance which other nations did not have.

    Albanian nobles ruling in albanian lands had extensive marriages and blood relations associated with high atitles from both Komnennos and Paleologo dynasties.

    Even the State of Skanderbeg was called the last '' byzantine'' land for example.

    These are simple facts that you should know, simple terms and definitions.

    The ignorance of some Albanians is insane.
    Who the hell was talking about the ancient Epirotes? Pipe up when you actually have a clue about what I said, Jesus Christ. The Komnennos and Paleologo were Greeks and they are the ones who ruled Byzantium, also can you tell me where I said Byzantine is an ethnicity?
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    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

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    ALL OF THIS IS ROMAN, SLAVIC OR OTTOMAN

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic View Post
    Well that was before 3-4 years. I was in that time with parents in Ulcinj, in Montenegro. And that's not far away from border with Albania, so we go in Albania haha.

    I was surprised when i saw, 80% of your old people riding bike. I never saw something like that before lol
    They ride bikes because in their youth cars were banned.

    You will see old people in bikes everywhere in Albania.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarknessWin View Post
    Why you sent me that and what is supposed to mean with this???
    I want proofs like Britannica and Herodotus tell nothing about Albanians or that Epirotans were not Greeks. Barbarian term is just political and modern Historians can explain this to you better if you ever read some modern Encyclopedias .
    Albanians come dont to the Region of Epirus along with Serbs in 1318

    Thats enough
    No, it`s not enough, because it`s not the truth first of all.
    First, let me explain you that Albanians didn`t arrived in Epir with servs in year 1318:
    The presence of Albanians in the Epeirote lands from the beginning
    of the thirteenth century is also attested by two documentary sources:
    the first is a Venetian document of 1210, which states that the continent
    facing the island of Corfu is inhabited by Albanians;
    (20) and the second
    is letters of the Metropolitan of Naupaktos John Apokaukos to a
    certain George Dysipati, who was considered to be an ancestor of
    the famous Shpata family.(21) Furthermore, I suggest that names that
    appear in two acts of the Angevins of Naples dated 1304 (22) using the
    forms, Albos, Spatos, Catarucos, Bischesini, Aranitos, Lecenis,
    Turbaceos, Marchaseos, Scuras, Zeneuias, Bucceseos, Logoresc and
    Mateseos are either well-known, less-known or totally unknown names
    of Albanian clan leaders at that time.

    You can continue to read my entire post here.

    (20.) G. Tafel - G. Tomas (1856), 122.
    (21). N. Bees - E. Seferli, 'Unedierte Schriftstiicke aus der Kanzlei des Johannes
    Apokaukos', BN] 21 (1974), doc. 62. For views on this name as being ancestral to
    the name 'Shpata', see P. Xhufi (1994), 47 and note 132.
    (22). L. Thalloczy - K. Jirecek - M. Sufflay (1913), 166a, doc. 563 and 167-168,
    doc. 569.

    Second, Herodotus explain very well who is Greek and who is Barbarian, let me quote you again him:
    Moreover a wall had once been built at this pass, and in old times there was a gate set in it; which wall was built by the Phokians, who were struck with fear because the Thessalians had come from the land of the Thesprotians to settle in the Aiolian land, the same which they now possess. Since then the Thessalians, as they supposed, were attempting to subdue them, the Phokians guarded themselves against this beforehand; and at that time they let the water of the hot springs run over the passage, that the place might be converted into a ravine, and devised every means that the Thessalians might not make invasion of their land. Now the ancient wall had been built long before, and the greater part of it was by that time in ruins from lapse of time; the Hellenes however resolved to set it up again, and at this spot to repel the Barbarian from Hellas: and very near the road there is a village called Alpenoi, from which the Hellenes counted on getting supplies.
    And i want to quote you an greek scholar, Titos Jochalas because the similarity is very interesting, centuries later:
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    Titos Jochalas:
    On Albanian Migration to Greece

    Johannes Cantacuzene then adds a brief note that is worth mentioning because it reveals that when Sirjannis was ostracized from Byzantium, he is said to have landed in Euboea, Locris and Acarnia and to have sought refuge amongst the Albanians in Thessaly, whom he had known from the time when he was “General of the West.” We know that Sirjannis held this office around the year 1315 and can thus conclude that the Albanians were already present in Thessaly at the start of the 14th century.
    Source:
    Titos Jochalas: ‘Über die Einwanderung der Albaner in Griechenland, eine zusammenfassende Betrachtung.’ in: Dissertationes Albanicae in honorem Josephi Valentini et Ernesti Koliqi Septuagenariorum (Munich: Trofenik 1971), pp. 89-106. Translated from the German by Robert Elsie. For the 94 footnotes, that are omitted in this English version, the interested reader should refer to the German original.
    The whole study of Jochalas you can read here.
    So, in year 1315 Albanians Albanians were an political factor in Thessaly. And of course they settled in Thessaly before year 1315. When? We don`t know.
    And let me quote also an important scholar, N.G.L. Hammond:
    ....To the settled peoples they were a terror. “Deus misit hanc pestem," wrote the author of the Gesta Dei per Francos 2.293. They came, like a plague of locusts, in huge numbers ("in tanta quantitate numerosa") and in 1325 they ravaged and destroyed everything in Thessaly outside the fortified centres ("ornnia quae erant extra castra"). When they wanted to leave Thessaly and go elsewhere, many others appeared with their wives and children ("multicum uxoribus et filiis") and their combined forces proceeded to wreck other parts of Thessaly....
    History repeat itself, like in the description of Herodotus.
    So, the story don`t start in year 1318. Albanians were present in Epir long time before the arrving of the servs. Ask Raine to find in greek an document that mention Muzaka in 11th century. And Muzaka are an family from South Albania that ruled large part of Epir, they were the Despot of Epir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catholic Riffs View Post
    ALL OF THIS IS ROMAN, SLAVIC OR OTTOMAN

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catholic Riffs View Post
    ALL OF THIS IS ROMAN, SLAVIC OR OTTOMAN
    Yep.

    There is no such thing as "Albanian architecture". It is all inspired from the cultures above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarknessWin View Post
    Britannica say that Albanians came in 1318 to Epirus and not me
    They overran the whole of Epirus together with Vlachs and Slavs during the Dark Ages. So in other words ''they'' are you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrong View Post
    Yep.

    There is no such thing as "Albanian architecture". It is all inspired from the cultures above.
    Why? We all evolve and beneficially advance forward, everyone has been influence by another culture whenever is Greek from Egyptians and Babylonians or Romans from Greeks. Or Arabs from Persians, Greeks, Arabians (not Arabs) and Romans. Greek colons were highly influenced by Ancient Egyptian architecture such as Djoser's Pyramid Complex. Literally because Greeks didn't have the decency to admit they have stolen Ancient Egyptian architecture this doesn't make it any less 100% validly true.

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