What happened to Romans of Serbia?

[Bosniensis]

"They, the Vlachswere conquered by EmperorTrajan who had defeated and annihilated them. Their king, namedDecebal, was killed (...). They are, in fact, the so-called Dacians and Bessi who used to live near the Danube andSavarivers, where now theSerbslive, in inaccessible and inhospitable places(...)And they left the region: some of them spread toEpirusandMacedonia, although the majority of them settled inHellas."

—Kekaumenos(11th century) - Strategikon

in Bosnia, 65% - 70% are Assimilated Vlachs

Not everyone had an opportunity to settle in Hellas

Catgeorge just showed me I2 P37 being found in Lerna/Franchthi with about 15%, and Bosnia and Romania have A LOT of I2a1 P37

Unfortunately not all Vlachs kept Latin language but became Slavophone

[Danaan]

Sirmium, one of the Four Roman Capitals. Populated by 10 - 20.000 Roman Citizens in 550 A.D

Sirmium, Singidunum, Naissus, Virminacum etc... Approximately 150.000 Latin speaking Roman Citizens lived in 5th century on that region.

What happened to them?

How is it possible that modern day Serbia was a Latin speaking country in 5th century while only 150 years later was predominantly Slavic?

Is it true that Slavs killed them all?

For me there's the origin of Vlachs/Aromanians. But, off course some of them became Serbs or other Slavs or Albanians or Greeks etc

[ovidiu]

This thread had the potential to be really interesting but got quickly derailed by pseudo-historical and protochronist-like arguments, as I see often happens on forums like these.

As for the initial question, many of them stayed and became absorbed into subsequent cultures. But there was also strong depopulation due to war, disease, famine, etc. The Vlachs are the most direct descendants probably (some have tried linking the tsintsars to the fifth (quinque) legion, but that may be just a folk theory). You also have to keep in mind that Romans here doesn't necessarily mean actual people from Rome or Italy for that matter. Just people from around the empire who had adopted the culture of the empire that were moved in and resettled. Romanization of the native populations was also a gradual process, and not all of them readily participated in it, and not all underwent full Latinization. Some probably stayed more at the margins of the greater society and partly retained their older customs.

Proto Romanian was probably spoken in the Central to Northern Balkans in the area labelled the Diocese of Dacia on this map:



It's known that Albanians were also partially Romanized since their language has several hundred words from Latin.

[chyyris]

in Bosnia, 65% - 70% are Assimilated Vlachs

Source?

[Bobby Martnen]

Sirmium, one of the Four Roman Capitals. Populated by 10 - 20.000 Roman Citizens in 550 A.D

Sirmium, Singidunum, Naissus, Virminacum etc... Approximately 150.000 Latin speaking Roman Citizens lived in 5th century on that region.

What happened to them?

How is it possible that modern day Serbia was a Latin speaking country in 5th century while only 150 years later was predominantly Slavic?

Is it true that Slavs killed them all?

No, the local, Latin-speaking people (who had been Latinized by the Romans, and were not actually of Latin descent) intermarried with Slavs from Poland and the Ukraine and were linguistically Slavicized by them.

[Bobby Martnen]

Lugus was a Celtic deity and Lug- ethnonyms and toponyms are most probably Celtic.

Including, interestingly enough, Lyons in France. (Originally Lugdunum)

[chyyris]

Bosniensis is an Vlach supremist.
He think that Vlachs are same people as Romans. That is a bullshit, because Vlach were just vular Latin speaking sheperds, they are far away from Romans.

[Bosniensis]

Bosniensis is an Vlach supremist.
He think that Vlachs are same people as Romans. That is a bullshit, because Vlach were just vular Latin speaking sheperds, they are far away from Romans.

Rome AND Italy were colonized from Balkans and Anatolia

It’s explained how Italy became colonized in numerous books and works

Vlachs from Balkans even if not native Latin speakers were cousins to people who colonized Italy

Illyrians and Celts are well documented relatives and Celts were among the founders of Roman Republic

So what’s your point




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[Decius]

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[piro ilir]

This thread had the potential to be really interesting but got quickly derailed by pseudo-historical and protochronist-like arguments, as I see often happens on forums like these.

As for the initial question, many of them stayed and became absorbed into subsequent cultures. But there was also strong depopulation due to war, disease, famine, etc. The Vlachs are the most direct descendants probably (some have tried linking the tsintsars to the fifth (quinque) legion, but that may be just a folk theory). You also have to keep in mind that Romans here doesn't necessarily mean actual people from Rome or Italy for that matter. Just people from around the empire who had adopted the culture of the empire that were moved in and resettled. Romanization of the native populations was also a gradual process, and not all of them readily participated in it, and not all underwent full Latinization. Some probably stayed more at the margins of the greater society and partly retained their older customs.

Proto Romanian was probably spoken in the Central to Northern Balkans in the area labelled the Diocese of Dacia on this map:



It's known that Albanians were also partially Romanized since their language has several hundred words from Latin.

Sirmium and other adjacent areas along the Danube were the main font and the main dwelling areas of Latin speaking world during the late Roman empire. (Illyrian soldery) . Illyrians were the main font for the Roman army since the edict of Caracalla,-The Constitutio Antoniniana (Latin for: "Constitution [or Edict] of Antoninus") (also called the Edict of Caracalla or the Antonine Constitution) was an edict issued in 212, by the Roman Emperor Caracalla declaring that all free men in the Roman Empire were to be given theoretical Roman citizenship ".
Thereby we have later the so called by many ancient authors and modern scholars as well, 'the barbarization of the Roman army'.