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Adsiz desperately looking for "MENA Greece and Greeks"
I would like to start with the perception of many Greek proper members, who think that Anatolian Greeks have taken things from Turks. wrong, any Mena like similarity in Anatolians, pre-dates Turks, and are exchanges between Byzantine Anatolian Greeks and persians or Levantines, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with this exchange with
Greece proper lacks most of this mena influence for many reasons, such as less geographical proximity to middle east than anatolia, different way of life from Anatolia, and the Frankish medieval dominance back in these times. other than Turkish coffee, Trahana, yoghurt and Baklava (out of hundreds if not thousands of Greek Dishes similar or indistinguishable from other Southern European)no Single real Turkish (I repeat, Turkish, not Levantine or Persian) influence is common in Greek culture, both Greek proper and Anatolian
He is so aware of Greek cuisine, that he asked us about "doner kebab", something that we ignored until very recently.
90% of Greek cuisine overlaps Southern European cusines, usually same dishes with native Greek names, often even with latin names, or vice versa, Greek originated names of dishes in latin speaking countries.
Also, our turkish friend, claims music and dance similarities of Greece with Turkey. then may i ask, what exactly is common between Greek Ballos, Syrtos/kalamatianos, Kantades and antikrystos, all of them following mostly the European harmony and rythm, with turkish ciftenteli belly dance etc? The answer: Absolutely nothing, and most of Anatolian Greek music includes this "proper Greek" influence:
Greek folk music variety
turkish folk music variety
Anatolian folk Greek, also sharing nothing really in common with Turkish
Greek culture and mentality is obviously native, unique, with some relations to Southern European, and nothing like Turkish (limited mena and persian influence yes, but never really Turkish)
both Greece and turkey are referred in the pic, not even close to each other.
Do i even have to refer DNA and anthropology in a forum full of pca and taxonomy like this? or Greek language which is not only European, but even Centum (western), in contrast to Turkish which is uralic-Altaic
Now let's make it clear: Turkish members should NOT take this post as an insult, cause what i am saying is obvious, that no matter what the particular user is trying to prove, Greek and turkish identity are completely different from each other, belonging even to different worlds. Greek identity is European, even with some non-Euro influence (i can't think of many European countries with zero non-European influence), meanwhile turkish is just turkish.
this is the first (and i hope the last) thread I open about Turkey, as to me Turkey is something neutral, that i have neither positive nor negative feelings. As long as particular Turkish users insult Greece, we have to respond
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