Eastern Germans of Slavic descent or Western Poles of Germanic descent?

[Diocleatian204]

Poles tend be more Germanic Descent than Eastern Germans who tend to be of Slavic (Wendish) Descent because Wendish were Exterminated after the Wendenkreuzzug in 12th Century.

[Peterski]

Poles tend be more Germanic Descent than Eastern Germans who tend to be of Slavic (Wendish) Descent because Wendish were Exterminated after the Wendenkreuzzug in 12th Century.

They were not exterminated, but converted to Christianity. And that crusade affected only areas between the Elbe and the Oder, while areas to the east of the Oder had already been Christian and parts of Poland before - German settlers later came there and assimilated local Poles.

[Peterski]

That's just not true. First off that guy isn't a typical Austrian he is from a region with almost completely Slovenian Ancestry and his last name is Slovenian.

His last name is German and all of his known ancestors have German last names.

He has no Slovenian ancestry, and in puntDNAL K15 he has extremely Austrian results:

He told me: "I do not speak Slovene or any Slovene local Carinthian dialect nor do I have any known ancestors with Slovene surnames. Koroških just means Carinthian in slovene language, could be ethnic German or ethnic Slovene. And all my known ancestors are German-speakers from Carinthia and Styria."

Here his puntDNAL K15 results (seems to be a "typical Austrian" based on this):

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post3927768

This calculator looks impressingly good!

# Population Percent
1 NE_European 55.91
2 Mediterranean 27.17
3 Caucasian 9.92
4 SW_Asian 4.9
5 S_Indian 0.8
6 Omo_River 0.43
7 Siberian 0.42
8 Oceanian 0.39
9 Amerindian 0.05
10 S_African 0.01

Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Austrian 1.05
2 Slovenian 2.3
3 Hungarian 2.58
4 Irish 3.47
5 Orcadian 3.55
6 Croatian 4.13
7 North_German 4.19
8 English 4.36
9 Scottish 4.94
10 Norwegian 5.33
11 Utahn_White 5.99
12 South_German 6.41
13 Swedish 6.85
14 Serbian 9.01
15 Polish 9.32
16 French 9.65
17 Bosnian 13.08
18 Macedonian 14.86
19 Mordovian 15.12
20 Belarusian 15.32

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 99.6% Austrian + 0.4% AriBlackSmith @ 0.97
2 99.6% Austrian + 0.4% Nganassan @ 0.97
3 99.6% Austrian + 0.4% Bedouin_B @ 0.99
4 99.6% Austrian + 0.4% Dolgan @ 1
5 99.5% Austrian + 0.5% Selkup @ 1.01
6 99% Austrian + 1% Basque @ 1.01
7 98.8% Austrian + 1.2% Spaniard @ 1.02
8 99.7% Austrian + 0.3% AriCultivator @ 1.02
9 99.5% Austrian + 0.5% Sardinian @ 1.02
10 99.8% Austrian + 0.2% Papuan @ 1.02
11 99.7% Austrian + 0.3% Saudi @ 1.03
12 99.2% Austrian + 0.8% Brazilian @ 1.03
13 98.9% Austrian + 1.1% Mordovian @ 1.03
14 99.7% Austrian + 0.3% Moroccan @ 1.04
15 99.9% Austrian + 0.1% Melanesian @ 1.04
16 99.7% Austrian + 0.3% Mozabite_Berber @ 1.04
17 99.6% Austrian + 0.4% Puerto_Rican @ 1.04
18 99.7% Austrian + 0.3% Colombian_B @ 1.04
19 95.9% Austrian + 4.1% Orcadian @ 1.04
20 96.7% Austrian + 3.3% English @ 1.04

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Austrian @ 1.834648
2 Slovenian @ 3.012423
3 Orcadian @ 3.551322
4 Irish @ 3.586220
5 Hungarian @ 3.795977
6 North_German @ 4.162593
7 English @ 4.431090
8 Scottish @ 4.825833
9 Norwegian @ 5.409451
10 Croatian @ 5.463852
11 Utahn_White @ 6.694263
12 Swedish @ 6.971464
13 South_German @ 7.336555
14 Polish @ 9.704070
15 Serbian @ 10.781292
16 French @ 10.989354
17 Bosnian @ 15.515591
18 Mordovian @ 16.320127
19 Belarusian @ 16.479029
20 Russian @ 16.577738

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +50% Austrian @ 1.834648


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +25% Austrian +25% Austrian @ 1.834648


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Scottish + Austrian + Austrian + Austrian @ 1.641198
2 Orcadian + Austrian + Austrian + Austrian @ 1.679857
3 Lithuanian + Scottish + Austrian + Montenegrin @ 1.713121
4 English + Austrian + Austrian + Austrian @ 1.768368
5 North_German + Austrian + Austrian + Austrian @ 1.788517
6 Lithuanian + English + Austrian + Romanian @ 1.794720
7 Lithuanian + English + Austrian + Montenegrin @ 1.830812
8 Norwegian + Austrian + Austrian + Austrian @ 1.833493
9 Austrian + Austrian + Austrian + Austrian @ 1.834648
10 Lithuanian + Orcadian + Austrian + Montenegrin @ 1.836085
11 Lithuanian + Polish + Scottish + Albanian @ 1.859073
12 Lithuanian + Polish + English + Albanian @ 1.860137
13 Lithuanian + Polish + Scottish + Tuscan @ 1.863095
14 Lithuanian + Orcadian + Austrian + Romanian @ 1.864231
15 Lithuanian + Scottish + Austrian + Romanian @ 1.864766
16 Irish + Austrian + Austrian + Austrian @ 1.869636
17 Orcadian + Slovenian + Austrian + Austrian @ 1.878144
18 Lithuanian + Polish + Orcadian + Albanian @ 1.889300
19 Scottish + Slovenian + Austrian + Austrian @ 1.895475
20 Polish + Polish + Austrian + Romanian @ 1.925544

[Peterski]

Regions like steiermark have been sampled and found to have over 40% R1a.

Some parts of East Germany have just as much:

http://oi68.tinypic.com/6enpso.jpg

[Dandelion]

Question is if they all learned Polish or some other Lechite Slavic tongue like Sorbian. Would Peterski accept them more or are their past crimes unforgivable as the traitors to Slavdom they are? Northern and Eastern Germany also had the highest percentage of NSDAP voters, whereas the more Celtic-influenced Bavaria (among the) the least.

[Leto]

Several million Eastern Germans were resettled in West Germany after WWII (die Vertriebenen). And several million more migrated from East Germany to West Germany after 1989, so nowadays such a division has little relevance, I'd say. However, I think East Germans are more like Czechs and Austrians, not Poles who are much more Slavic by ancestry.

[Karol Klačansky]

His last name is German and all of his known ancestors have German last names.

He has no Slovenian ancestry, and in puntDNAL K15 he has extremely Austrian results:

He told me: "I do not speak Slovene or any Slovene local Carinthian dialect nor do I have any known ancestors with Slovene surnames. Koroških just means Carinthian in slovene language, could be ethnic German or ethnic Slovene. And all my known ancestors are German-speakers from Carinthia and Styria."

Here his puntDNAL K15 results (seems to be a "typical Austrian" based on this):

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post3927768

Exactly his last name is Slovenian koriskih is not a German word and it doesn't matter if his ancestors are German on paper they are descendants of slavs in that region just like in Steiermark. Corinthia gets its name from a Slavic tribe. He is not a good representative of an average Austrian, and my point is that some Austrians and most east Germans have a lot of Slavic ancestry more than Western poles do have Germanic ancestry. Just look at the k13 PCA. You (Polish central) are very close to other Slavic populations and distant from the rest of Germans besides east Germans who clearly drift towards czechs and slavs. Saying youre half Slavic because of DNA land is just not accurate DNA land is pretty garbage with their ethnicity estimate. East Germans and austrians clearly and historically have a lot of Slavic ancestry much more than poles have Germanic ancestry.

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[Karol Klačansky]

Here are two Austrian my heritage results one is from Tirol and the other from lower austria, lower austrians clearly have Slavic influence.

Austrian (Lower Austria):

North and West Europe: 61.2%

North and West European: 53.6%

Scandinavian: 6.3%

Finnish: 1.3%

South Europe: 8.4%

Italian: 8.4%

East Europe: 30.4%

Balkan: 22.4%

East European: 6.2%

Baltic: 1.8%

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[Peterski]

On any PCA plot you cluster very close to other Slavic Populations. If we take central ukrainians as a proxy for full slavs youre about 80-90% Slavic not half.

Here are my autosomal results, in DNA Tribes I'm even less Slavic than in DNA Land:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post4632243



However, I don't have much of Southern European or Mediterranean admixtures.

Modern Germans have more of Mediterranean admixtures than Ancient Germanic tribes.

This is what shifts them in a PCA to the west and south (towards Iberia and Italy).

[Peterski]

Exactly his last name is Slovenian

No, his last name is German. And entire Austria - except for Tyrol - used to be Slavic:

Early Medieval ethnic Slovene settlement, compared to modern borders of Slovenia:

http://www.gis.si/egw/ZSS_T04_P02/img/karta2.jpg