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    What's the main difference between these two sub races and how much are they influenced by some "mongoloid" admixture?
    Could you post some photos or celebrities that are Lappish or Ladogan, or have some features of these sub races, please, thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl der Große View Post
    What's the main difference between these two sub races and how much are they influenced by some "mongoloid" admixture?
    Could you post some photos or celebrities that are Lappish or Ladogan, or have some features of these sub races, please, thanks.
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    LAPPID (Lappish (Coon); Scando-Lappid race (Lundman))

    Borealized, infantilized and hyperbrachycephalic type of mostly Lappoid derivation, somewhat influenced by Mongolid. This type is associated with the Saami ("Lapps") of northern Scandinavia.


    A Swedish Lapp

    LAPPOID (Ladogan (Coon); Uralid)

    Partially reduced, incipiently Mongoloid brachycephal of the eastern forests, seldom found in its true form, but constituting an important substrate in eastern Europe, Russia, and the Baltic nations (the East-Baltid type is a more or less stabilized blend of Baltid and Lappoid). The Lappoid type belongs to the larger Upper Paleolithic group, and is probably related to Europid Cro-Magnoids on one hand, and Mongolids on the other (i.e. as an evolutionary intermediate, rather than a cross).


    "Ladogan" (from The Races of Europe by Carleton S. Coon)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl der Große View Post
    how much are they influenced by some "mongoloid" admixture?
    Someone with these sort of looks can be genetically 100% European.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pallantides View Post
    Someone with these sort of looks can be genetically 100% European.
    I think so too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pallantides View Post
    Someone with these sort of looks can be genetically 100% European.
    Depends on your definition of European too I guess.

    Also it is sometimes difficult to tell whether being Europid and being European must be present the same time, because to me Mongoliform Eastbaltids are Europeans, they are part of the regional variation since thousands of years, yet they are not as much Europid as other European types and subtypes.

    This woman in question however shows archaic-primitive traits which COULD BE interpreted as part-Mongoliform, but must not, so indeed she can be considered more Europid than this individual for sure:


    Which shows clear Mongoliform influences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa View Post
    She is most likely one of those Saami with high Samoyed admixture(the average Saami seem to have 6-8% Siberan admixture, the rest of their ancestry is mostly North European caucasoid.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pallantides View Post
    She is most likely one of those Saami with high Samoyed admixture(the average Saami seem to have 6-8% Siberan admixture, the rest of their ancestry is mostly North European caucasoid.)
    Do you know how common Samoyed admixture is in the Saami people? Even was in the past? Regional differences?

    The Samoyeds/Nenets themselves are obviously much more on the Mongoloid side ("Sibirid") as you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa View Post
    Do you know how common Samoyed admixture is in the Saami people? Even was in the past? Regional differences?

    The Samoyeds/Nenets themselves are obviously much more on the Mongoloid side ("Sibirid") as you know.
    The Samoyeds are Siberians who adopted a Finno-Ugric language. Any genetic "Siberian affinity" you see among Finns is because of assimilating the Saamis with Samoyed influence. If that wouldn't be true, then Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians (Finnic people) should also have genetic Siberian affinity, but they don't.

    As Pallantides has said before, according to some genetic researches he has posted, Lithuanians "are the purest Northern-Europeans" or something like that. Ironically, Lithuania has the biggest percentage of N1c1, after Finland.

    Well, Agrippa, the sky is falling for you, isn't it? The more genetic research methods advance, the less true your views become.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    The Samoyeds are Siberians who adopted a Finno-Ugric language. Any genetic "Siberian affinity" you see among Finns is because of assimilating the Saamis with Samoyed influence. If that wouldn't be true, then Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians (Finnic people) should also have genetic Siberian affinity, but they don't.

    As Pallantides has said before, according to some genetic researches he has posted, Lithuanians "are the purest Northern-Europeans" or something like that. Ironically, Lithuania has the biggest percentage of N1c1, after Finland.

    Well, Agrippa, the sky is falling for you, isn't it? The more genetic research methods advance, the less true your views become.
    Well, going after Dienekes new posts on his blog, Finns have no strong but significant Mongoloid influence:


    Though the Mongoloid signal can be observed in various populations, it is stronger in those with a presumably stronger Eastbaltid-Lappoid typological influence.

    Finns, Lithuanians, Russians, Belarussians etc.

    Also note that in a higher resolution some other "Asian/Mongoloid" influenced populations have no significant appearance any more, but in Finns a clearly visible and in Lithuanians at least recognisable proportion of Siberian signals can be noted:



    Obviously without selection the traits wouldn't have survived anyway, yet the Siberian signal is there - in Hungarians too by the way.

    http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2010/12...ion-first.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    The Samoyeds are Siberians who adopted a Finno-Ugric language. Any genetic "Siberian affinity" you see among Finns is because of assimilating the Saamis with Samoyed influence. If that wouldn't be true, then Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians (Finnic people) should also have genetic Siberian affinity, but they don't.

    As Pallantides has said before, according to some genetic researches he has posted, Lithuanians "are the purest Northern-Europeans" or something like that. Ironically, Lithuania has the biggest percentage of N1c1, after Finland.
    I don't know if Lithuanians are the purest Europeans, but they usually have the highest affinity with the cluster both Dienekes and Davide label 'North European' and almost no mideastern influence.

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