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    As you all know, I'm a man of kindness and factual discussion. I'd like this forum to have a serious, factual discussion on the high amount of African admixture amongst Iberians. This is NOT a troll thread, any statement posted should have a source to follow.
    "In terms of autosomal DNA, the most recent study regarding African admixture in Iberian populations was conducted in April 2013 by Botigué et al. using genome-wide SNP data for over 2000 individuals, concluding that Spain and Portugal hold significantly higher levels of North African than the rest of the European continent. Estimates of shared ancestry averaged from 4% in some places to 10-12% in the general population, the populations of the Canary Islands outputted up to 20% of shared ancestry with north africans, although the Canary islands are a spanish exclave located in the african continent, and thus this output is not representative of the iberian population; these same results did not exceed 2% in other western or southern European populations."

    That's on autosomal DNA, here's on the Y-DNA of Iberians, especially the Portugese.

    "In general aspects, according to (Bosch et al. 2007) "...the origins of the Iberian Y-chromosome pool may be summarized as follows: 5% recent NW African, 78% Upper Paleolithic and later local derivatives (group IX), and 10% Neolithic" (H58, H71)."

    "A similar 2014 study by Lazaridis et al. found an average African admixture of 14.8% (12.6% Mozabite and 2.2% Mbuti/Yoruba) in the Y-DNA markers of the Spanish population, suggesting that gene flow from Sub-Saharan and North African populations has occurred in the Spanish sample."

    Some other shit for some DNA nerds:

    "Recent Mitochondrial DNA studies coincide in that the Iberian Peninsula holds higher levels of typically North African Haplotype U6, as well as higher frequencies of Sub-Saharan African Haplogroup L. However, high frequencies are largely concentrated in the west and south of the Iberian peninsula and therefore overall frequency is higher in Portugal (5.83%) than in Spain (2.9%) with a mean frequency for the entire peninsula of 3.83%. There is considerable geographic divergence across the peninsula with high frequencies observed for South West Castile (18%), Southern Portugal (10.80%), Central Portugal (9.70%), Western Andalusia (14.6%)[41] and Córdoba (8.30%)."

    Facts derived from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneti...rian_Peninsula - Sources in link.

    So a good question would be, how come Iberians were such good recipients of recent NWA penis? 5-10% is pretty fucking high, imagine how many Iberian women it would take to impregnate to leave a clear mark on the population for hundreds of years even after the Moors were "driven out".

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    I am not convinced most of it is recent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    I am not convinced most of it is recent.
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    Brother I've laughed my ass off at the expense of Iberians, and the more they resist the more I laugh. But let's be nice here and keep it strictly factual, I could learn to love those little monkeys after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    I am not convinced most of it is recent.
    You're right about it.

    You can read here the The Population Genomics Of Archaeological Transition In West Iberia, an new report published in May 2017.

    In: http://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/10/134254

    It analyses the DNA of 14 ancient individuals from Portugal distributed from the Middle Neolithic (4200-3500 BC) to the Middle Bronze Age (1740-1430 BC). All of them have North African components, bringing down the theory that this component is present in Iberia because of the Moors.

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    Excuse me for my ignorance, who are this 12.6% Mozabite and 2.2% Mbuti/Yoruba?

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    The presence of E1b1a lineages outside Africa can typically be associated with events that occurred after the Bantu Expansion, such as the Moorish occupation of Iberia or the trade in African slaves. In much of Europe, frequencies of E lineages which are not E1b1b are very low, usually less than 1%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa...ture_in_Europe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laberia View Post
    Excuse me for my ignorance, who are this 12.6% Mozabite and 2.2% Mbuti/Yoruba?
    Mozabites are an Berber ethnic group. Mbuti/Yoruba are North Western Africans.

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    Vast majority of it is North african Caucasoid and not nigger. I don't see how it matters whether it's recent or not though.

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