New African Admixture in Iberia

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

"In northwestern Spain and in Portugal, Sub-Saharan autosomal ancestry is on average 7.1%"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa...ture_in_Europe

Surely it is, in Galicia and Minho, the most Celtic region in the whole Peninsula who was the least time under the Moorish rule. It is so believable.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

These are the SSA average admixtures in Spain from the samples provided in Eurogenes K15:

Spanish_Andalucia 0.52%
Spanish_Aragon 0.08%
Spanish_Cantabria 0.61%
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 0.28%
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 0.84%
Spanish_Cataluna 0.5%
Spanish_Extremadura 0.95%
Spanish_Galicia 0.96%
Spanish_Murcia 0.67%

Real data from samples taken from the Euroegenes K15 spreadsheet, no fairy tale copy\paste Wikipedia articles.

[Albobalboa]

"A number of studies have focused on ascertaining the genetic impact of historical North African population movements into Iberia on the genetic composition of modern Spanish and Portuguese populations. Initial studies pointed to the Straits of Gibraltar acting more as a genetic barrier than a bridge during prehistorical times, while other studies point to a higher level of recent North African admixture among Iberians than among other European populations, albeit this is as a result of more recent migratory movements, particularly the Moorish invasion of Iberia in the 7th century."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneti...rian_Peninsula

[Dema]

You surely disregarded the anonymous Tosk samples who got H1 Y-DNA for not being real Tosk according to you, so where is your coherence now?

Thats why i am laughing, when i said 4 persons smuggled in among 300 persons you said: i believe more to foreign scientists then to Albanian DNA project..

And now you are using my tactic its good to see you are learning, just we are not speaking about 4 out 300 persons but 5 - 7 % of Iberian YDNA as studies concluded...


I know you are not one of them just as your Ydna proved, and you dont look like it, but im sure when you walk the beautiful streets of IBeria you see plenty of these faces..


And besides we are talking about NW African direct paternal lines among Iberians and not Gypsy H1 one. Im sure there is H1 also... Maybe i will give it a look later and see if i can dig something out..

[Albobalboa]

Fairytale copy from wikipedia, you mean actual research by unbiased researchers which has source studies to prove it?

I sense butthurt. Remember that wikipedia is just a collection of facts from different sources. They seem 100% legit to me and probably to most people. More so than any blog or private bullshit testing, these are professionals.

In terms of paternal Y-Chromosome DNA, recent studies coincide in that Iberia has the greatest presence of the typically Northwest African Y-chromosome haplotype marker E-M81 in Europe. as well as Haplotype Va. Estimates of Y-Chromosome ancestry vary, with a 2008 study published in the American Journal of Human Genetics using 1140 samples from throughout the Iberian peninsula, giving a proportion of 10.6% North African ancestry. A similar 2009 study of Y-chromosome with 659 samples from Portugal, 680 from Northern Spain, 37 samples from Andalusia, 915 samples from mainland Italy, and 93 samples from Sicily found significally higher levels of North African male ancestry in Spain, Sicily and Portugal (7.7%, 7.1% and 7.5% respectively) than in Italy (1.7%). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneti...rian_Peninsula

[MINARDOWICZ]

Go be American somewhere else, this is more than the watered down "black and white" bullshit, you dumb fuck.

THIS! I don't get it when some Americans use this forum as a KKK gathering. This is NOT what it is supposed to be. This forum is to discuss anthropology, genetics, and culture. You don't even have to be a racist to be on this forum. I am not a racist. I don't get mad at my MENA scores being higher than they should be based on my paper trail. Who gives?

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Thats why i am laughing, when i said 4 persons smuggled in among 300 persons you said: i believe more to foreign scientists then to Albanian DNA project..

And now you are using my tactic its good to see you are learning, just we are not speaking about 4 out 300 persons but 5 - 7 % of Iberian YDNA as studies concluded...

The Albanian study concluded 12% of the population, twice than that. It is not a tactic though. Iberians had one of the hugest empires all across the globe, due to it we can not assume that everyone is native. Albania is a small town of inbred people in comparison, that never amounted to nothing so we can assume all people in there are natives since you don't even have immigrants.

[MINARDOWICZ]

These are the SSA average admixtures in Spain from the samples provided in Eurogenes K15:

Spanish_Andalucia 0.52%
Spanish_Aragon 0.08%
Spanish_Cantabria 0.61%
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 0.28%
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 0.84%
Spanish_Cataluna 0.5%
Spanish_Extremadura 0.95%
Spanish_Galicia 0.96%
Spanish_Murcia 0.67%

Real data from samples taken from the Euroegenes K15 spreadsheet, no fairy tale copy\paste Wikipedia articles.

Now, what about Portugal? XD. We know you don't want to show us that.

[MINARDOWICZ]

Here is how it is guys. You have the highest West Asian and Middle Eastern scores in Greek Islands and S Italy/Sicily/Malta. You have the highest North African in Spain/Portugal. This is how it works.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Now, what about Portugal? XD. We know you don't want to show us that.

Nah, I just copy\pasted it from another post that I had done in another thread and we were talking specifically about Spain. Portuguese SSA average is 0.85%. Mine is 0% on K15 and 0.43% on K13.