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    Default Etruscan language related to Slavic

    Reski ves Bog, vysh Vima i Dima, Yezmenyu Rasiyei,
    Im-zhe opetse (moi) dom i detses, lepeyen Yezmen!
    Yekatezin dalechim; do dolu zem poyezheyu;
    Totsi vero-vero ies! kakoyem, Yenei tsar-rode.
    Sideyiz s Ladoim v Yelishom, Leyti poymez, zabyvlayez;
    Oi! dorogi, khoroshiy!

    This is original Etruscan, and I could already understand 20% of words without translation.

    Translation suggested by Volanskiy:

    All-father from Paradise, above Vim and Dim, you are the Yezmen of Russia/Rasna/Ras.
    Take care of my home and my children, greatest Yezmen!
    Hekate’s domain is far away; I set forth to the end of the earth;
    And, verily, this is so, just like Aeneas was my forefather.
    Together with Lad in Elysium, you shall drink from the Lethe and forget.
    O! Dear one, kind one!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    Reski ves Bog, vysh Vima i Dima, Yezmenyu Rasiyei,
    Im-zhe opetse (moi) dom i detses, lepeyen Yezmen!
    Yekatezin dalechim; do dolu zem poyezheyu;
    Totsi vero-vero ies! kakoyem, Yenei tsar-rode.
    Sideyiz s Ladoim v Yelishom, Leyti poymez, zabyvlayez;
    Oi! dorogi, khoroshiy!

    This is original Etruscan, and I could already understand 20% of words without translation.

    Translation suggested by Volanskiy:

    All-father from Paradise, above Vim and Dim, you are the Yezmen of Russia/Rasna/Ras.
    Take care of my home and my children, greatest Yezmen!
    Hekate’s domain is far away; I set forth to the end of the earth;
    And, verily, this is so, just like Aeneas was my forefather.
    Together with Lad in Elysium, you shall drink from the Lethe and forget.
    O! Dear one, kind one!



    That is a transcription made by Slavic scholars who saw what they wanted to see. Etruscan language is non-IE, how can be mistaken Etruscan for Slavic if they don't belong to the same family? Etruscan is totally alien to Slavic and to every IE language. It's like saying that Basque language is Spanish because there are few Spanish loanwords here and there.

    Below there is the list of known Etruscan words, we know their meaning because they were used as loanwords in Latin. The list is in Etruscan and Italian, just compare the Italian meaning with your language, I don't think you will find many Slavic words in the Etruscan list

    https://it.wikibooks.org/wiki/Vocabo...lingua_etrusca
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mens-Sarda View Post
    That is a transcription made by Slavic scholars who saw what they wanted to see. Etruscan language is non-IE, how can be mistaken Etruscan for Slavic if they don't belong to the same family? Etruscan is totally alien to Slavic and to every IE language. It's like saying that Basque language is Spanish because there are few Spanish loanwords here and there.

    Below there is the list of known Etruscan words, we know their meaning because they were used as loanwords in Latin. The list is in Etruscan and Italian, just compare the Italian meaning with your language, I don't think you will find many Slavic words in the Etruscan list

    https://it.wikibooks.org/wiki/Vocabo...lingua_etrusca
    Look I've read the tablet myself. Can't you see, or do you think that Russians have invented both Words and Alphabet?

    IMHO it would be really hard to falsify something like this.

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    Try to understand the text below without using the translation, it's the text of the Pyrgi tablets, an alliance treaty signed between Etruscans and Carthaginians in VIth century b.C. to stop the Greek expansion in the western mediterranean sea. The text could be translated because it was written in Etruscan and in Phoenician.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrgi_Tablets



    Tablet 1

    ita tmia icac he

    ramašva vatieχe
    unial astres θemia
    sa meχ θuta Θefa
    riei velianas sal
    cluvenias turu
    ce munis tas θuvas
    tameresca ilacve
    tul erase nac ci avi
    l χurvar, tešiameit
    ale ilacve alšase
    nac atranes zilac
    al, sel eita la acnašv
    ers itanim heram
    ve avil eniaca pulum χva.

    Tablet 2

    nac θe farie vel
    iiunas θ amuce
    cleva etu nal masan tiur, unias
    šelace v
    acal tmial a
    vil χ val amuce pulum χva snuiaφ.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mens-Sarda View Post
    Try to understand the text below without using the translation, it's the text of the Pyrgi tablets, an alliance treaty signed between Etruscans and Carthaginians in VIth century b.C. to stop the Greek expansion in the western mediterranean sea. The text could be translated because it was written in Etruscan and in Phoenician.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrgi_Tablets



    Tablet 1

    ita tmia icac he

    ramašva vatieχe
    unial astres θemia
    sa meχ θuta Θefa
    riei velianas sal
    cluvenias turu
    ce munis tas θuvas
    tameresca ilacve
    tul erase nac ci avi
    l χurvar, tešiameit
    ale ilacve alšase
    nac atranes zilac
    al, sel eita la acnašv
    ers itanim heram
    ve avil eniaca pulum χva.

    Tablet 2

    nac θe farie vel
    iiunas θ amuce
    cleva etu nal masan tiur, unias
    šelace v
    acal tmial a
    vil χ val amuce pulum χva snuiaφ.


    Are there any more Tablets using the same Alphabet as the one I posted up there.

    Show me the original tables.

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    Attested from 700 BC to AD 50, the relation of Etruscan to other languages has been a source of long-running speculation and study, with it being referred to at times as an isolate, one of the Tyrsenian languages, and a number of other less well-known possibilities.
    Linguists don't classify Etruscan as an IE language. It has nothing to do with Slavic languages. You have a better chance if you try to find Slavic and Sanskrit similarities.

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    Some texts :

    Pyrgi Tablets

    1st Phoenician - 2nd and 3rd Etruscan





    Tabula Cortonensis (Table of Cortona)




    front side


    1. et petruiśsceveś eliuntś v
    2. inac restmc ceṇu tenθurśar cus
    3. [I]uθuraś larisaḷsvla pesc spante tenθur
    4. sa śran śarc clθ̣ịḷtersna θui spanθi ml
    5. eśieθic raśna Σ iiii¢ (vacat) inni pes petruś pav
    6. ac traulac tiur teṇ[θ]urc tenθa zacinat pr
    7. iniserac zal // cś esịśverecusuθurśum p
    8. es petruśta ṣcev[aś ] // nuθanatur lartpetr
    9. [I]uni arnt pini lart ṿpi lusce laris salini v
    10. etnal lart velara larθalisa lart velara
    11. aulesa vel pumpu pruciu aulecelatina se
    12. tmnal arnza felśni velθinal vel luisna
    13. lusce veluslna nufresa laru slanzu larz
    14. alartlevelaveśaṛnt petru raufe // epru
    15. ś ame velχe cusulariṣaḷ cleniarc laris
    16. [c]ụsuḷ[a]risalisalarizac c̣ḷạṇ larisal petr
    17. u ṣc̣ẹ[va]ṣ́arntlei petruś puia (vacat)
    18. cen zic ziχuχe sparześtiś śazleiś in
    19. θuχti cusuθuraś suθiu ame talsuθive
    20. naś ratm θuχt ceśu tlteltei sianś spa
    21. rzete θui salt zic frạtuce cusuθuraś la
    22. risalisvla petruśc scevaś pesśtarχian
    23. eś // cnl nuθe malec lart cucrina lausisa
    24. zilaθmeχl raśnall[a]ris celatinalau
    25. sa[cla]nc arnt luscni[a]rnθal clanc larz
    26. a lart turmna salinạ[l lart celatina a]
    27. pnal cleniarc velχe [ - - - papal]
    28. śerc velχe cusu aule[sa - - - ]
    29. aninalc laris fuln[i - - - (?) cleina]
    30. rc lart petce uslnaḷ [ - - - ]
    31. inaθur tecsinal vel[θur titlni velθur]
    32. uś larisc cusu uslna[l - - - ].


    Rear side


    1. aulesalini cusual (vacat)
    2. zilci larθal cusuś titlnal
    3. larisalc saliniśauleṣla celtineitis
    4. ś tarsminaśś sparzainθuχtceśu
    5. ratm suθiu suθiusṿe velχeś cusuśa
    6. ulesla velθuruś tịṭlniś velθurusla
    7. larθalc celatinaśạp̣nạl larisalcce
    8. latịṇạṣ́ ṭịtlnal.


    Cippus Perusinus (Milestone of Perugia)

    front view



    side view



    text



    Front

    eurat tanna larezul ame vaχr.
    Lautn . Velθina-ś, eśtla Afuna-s, sleleθc aru ::tezan,
    fuśle-ri tesn-ś tei-ś Raśne-ś ipa ama hen.
    Naper XII (12) Velthina θuraś araś,
    pe raścemulml escul, zuci en esci epl, tularu.
    Auleśi, Velθina-ś Arznal, clenśi,
    θii θil ścun'a cenu, eplc felic Larθal-ś Afune-ś,
    clen, θunχ ulθe fala-ś.
    Χi=em fuśle, Velθina hinθa cape, municlet, masu,
    naper śran . ctl, θii falśti.
    Veltina hut naper penez-ś masu.
    Acnina clel Afuna, Velθina mler zinia.
    Intemame r cnl Velθina zia śatene tesne,
    Eca Velθina θuraś θaura hel-u tes ne Raśne cei.
    Tesn-ś tei-ś Raśne-ś χimθ, śpel θuta ścun'a, Afuna mena hen.
    Naper ci (3) cnl hare utuśe.

    Side

    Velθina śatena zu ci en esci ipa spel ane-θi fulum-χva.
    spel-θi, re ne-θi.
    Estac Velθina, acil-un-e, turune, ścu-n-e.
    Zea zu ci en esci aθumi=cś.
    Afuna-ś penθn-a ama.
    Velθina, Afun[a]θuruni ein zeri, una cla θil θunχulθ-l.
    Iχ ca ceχa ziχuχe.
    Supplamentry for the word
    clel found in the main inscription in the Golini Tomb 1 at Orvieto.
    me'ch'l um rasneas clevsinsl: zila'ch'nve pulum (stars).
    rumitrinei : ma?ce . clel . lu?[
    Supplamentry for the word
    naper,from a cippus found at Volterra.
    l : titesi :cale 's'i
    cina : c's' : mes [month] tle's'
    [mes, month in Spanish, mese in Italian]
    hu'th'
    [six]: naper' lescan
    letem : 'th'ui :
    ara's'a : 'th'en tma
    se : laei : tre c's'
    'th'en's't : me ua'th'a
    Supplamentry from the Liber Linteus Column X for comparison

    for the words aru,ame,ipa, θuta, cnl, ama.

    5 aru’s’ . ame . acnesem . ipa . se’th’umati . siml’ch’a
    6 ‘th’ui . turve . acil . ham’ph’e’s’ . lae’s’ . sulu’s’i
    7 ‘th’uni . ‘s’er’ph’ue . acil . ipei . θuta . cnl . ‘ch’a’s’ri
    8 he’ch’z . sul . sc vetu (carpenter=Latin Faber). ca’th’nis . ::‘s’canin . vei’th’a
    9 Ipe . ipa . ma’th’cva ‘ . ama . trinum (three). hetrn . acl’ch’n



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    In these last years some scholars hypotized that Etruscan could be related to Anatolian IE languages like Hittite and Luwian, a language related to Hittite spoken in the western part of the Anatolian peninsula.

    http://luwianstudies.org/iron-age/etruria/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mens-Sarda View Post
    In these last years some scholars hypotized that Etruscan could be related to Anatolian IE languages like Hittite and Luwian, a language related to Hittite spoken in the western part of the Anatolian peninsula.

    http://luwianstudies.org/iron-age/etruria/

    Well Greek Myths also agree.

    While Greek Myths were purely allegorical they were truthful to certain degree like locations etc...

    So if Myth says: Troy, Argos etc.. It's probably true.

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