Classify Adam Zamoyski

[Harkonnen]

I found his genealogical tree:

http://genealogia.grocholski.pl/gd/osoba.php?id=006177

His 8 great-grandparents are:

Stefan Zamoyski (1837-1899) - http://genealogia.grocholski.pl/gd/osoba.php?id=007566
Zofia Potocka (1851-1927) - http://genealogia.grocholski.pl/gd/osoba.php?id=007567

Ignacy Mężyński (1800s) - http://genealogia.grocholski.pl/gd/osoba.php?id=007564
Olimpia Ciundziewicka (1800s) - http://genealogia.grocholski.pl/gd/osoba.php?id=007565

Władysław Czartoryski (1828-1894) - http://genealogia.grocholski.pl/gd/osoba.php?id=002172
Marquerite Adelaide Marie d'Orleans (1846-1893) - http://genealogia.grocholski.pl/gd/osoba.php?id=005881

Ludwik Józef Krasiński (1833-1895) - http://genealogia.grocholski.pl/gd/osoba.php?id=002756
Magdalena Zawisza-Kierżgajło (1861-1945) - http://genealogia.grocholski.pl/gd/osoba.php?id=005312

Kierżgajło must be Polonized Lithuanian nobility. And he is also 1/8 French. The rest is Polish.

Władysław Czartoryski married a French princess Marquerite (one of Adam's great-grandmothers).

Out of those at least Czartoryski's are not Polish either, but N1c1 through Lithuania

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czartoryski

[deutschen Blutes]

Did you suspect Jewish? Curly hair gives him such vibes.

Yes I did. I thought he was Jewish.

[Peterski]

Out of those at least Czartoryski's are not Polish either, but N1c1 through Lithuania

Modern ethnic Lithuanians are descendants of exclusively peasants. On the other hand, Medieval nobility of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania - such as Czartoryscy - are now in vast majority ethnic Poles. Because all of them were Polonized and did not contribute to the ancestry of modern Lithuanian peasant-nation. Being N1c1 or from Lithuania doesn't make them Non-Polish, today at least 15% of citizens of Poland have ancestry from what is now Belarus, Lithuania, Ukraine, Latvia and Russia, many of them are N1c1.

Ethnic Poles from former Eastern Poland are called Kresowiaks:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post4590946

Here is a Polish thread about Kresowiaks in various regions:

http://www.historycy.org/index.php?showtopic=153392&hl=

In English: http://translate.google.com/translat...153392%26hl%3D

There are also a lot of ethnic Poles who still live in Belarus and Lithuania, because only around 1/2 of Poles were deported from those areas to Poland between 1944 and 1959 (from Ukraine a higher percent):

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...65#post4647865

Ethnic & religious structure of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania in 1789:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...23#post4647923

In Ukraine there are more Poles in Zhytomir Oblast than Lviv Oblast, in 1939 it was the other way around:

http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads...l=1#post517717

Here is GEDmatch kit of an ethnic Pole with ancestry from Belarus, Lithuania and Polish Livonia (Latvia):

M084406

His nickname on ABF is East Pole, he happens to be N1c1. He lives in Poland. He is extremely Pan-Slavic and wants to Indo-Europeanize all N1c1 people. He is a great N1c1 Indo-Europeanist.

As you can see, N1c1 people can also became pro-Indo-European patriots.

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Ethnic Poles around 1900-1920:

https://s3.postimg.org/9w5ybn10x/The_Poles_Map.png



And here data from the 1930s:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post4584500

National-linguistic and religious structure of North-East Poland in 1931 census (but it is possible that the number of Non-Catholic Poles was inflated, as national identity of those people was "uncertain"):




Number of Poles in former Kresy according to official census data:

1a+b = North-East Poland ------ 1,663,888 Poles (1931 Polish census)

2 = South-East Poland ---------- 2,249,703 Poles (1931 Polish census)
1.2 = Soviet Belarus ------------ 97,498 Poles (1926 Soviet census)
2.2 = Soviet Ukraine ------------ 476,435 Poles (1926 Soviet census)
1.3 = Lithuania ------------------ 202,026 Poles (1923 elections results)
1.4 = Latvia --------------------- 59,374 Poles (1930 Latvian census)
3 = Soviet Russia --------------- 197,827 Poles (1926 Soviet census)

TOTAL ---------------------------- 5 million people (1926-1931 data)

More about the Zamoyski family:

http://historum.com/european-history...wealth-52.html

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=pl

[Veslan]

Polish Pontid.

It was the most commonly guessed type for this group of ethnic Poles:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...NSWER-REVEALED

Pontid - mentioned 6 times
Alpine - mentioned 5 times
Dinarid - 3 mentions
North Pontid - 2 mentions
Mediterranean - 2 mentions
Baltic - 2 mentions
West Baltid - 1 mention
East Nordid - 1 mention
Nordid - 1 mention
Atlantid - 1 mention
Cro-Magnid - 1 mention
Taurid - 1 mention



I would say he is Pontid. What's the difference between these types?

Edit:

Are there subtle difference, or is it based on geography?:



Since he is Polish, he should rather be called Pontid.

Stop mentioning this thread, those "poles" were swarthy shitskins, and probably polonized and resettled Ukrainians. Poles are at least 60% light pigmented Baltids, Norics, Nordics...

Also, Pontid/Atlantid is just Nordic with some Med, if it's more Nordic, then we add "North" before the name, if it's more Med, then we add "-Med" at the end... the main diffrence between Atlantids and Pontids is that Atlantids are more classicly Hallstatt or Keltic influenced, while Pontids are more East Nordic and Corded influenced. But I bet If I posted some Westerners and Easterners of this type many people would fail to say which one is "Atlantid" and which one is "Pontid".

[Rethel]

This traditional mindset is represented on TA by Rethel, for whom only direct paternal descent matters.

So you see, even a woman understand such simple truth, but you don;t.

Btw, even feministic literature does get it! Even they!

Prussian German

Now polish, or mazovian to be precise

[Rethel]

The thing about Jewish identity is that it's organized by tribal descent, not race, and legitimized by religious practice, so admixture doesn't matter.

Tribal organization is not racist, and tribe is not the basis for "race".
For example, Israelite men who moved to the region of Ashkenaz and married women of Ashkenaz still produced Israelite children. Not Ashkenazi children.
Solomon who had a child with Sheva produced an Israelite child, not a Kushitic child.

Using the example above, if subsequent generations kept marrying Ashkenaz women, the Israelite admixture will get cycled out, but the Israelite y-DNA haplogroup (or mtDNA, for you modern-minded Jews) will still pass on to their male descendants which means they are still Israelites, even if their admixture suggests complete Ashkenazi admixture.

But what's the original Y-DNA Israelite haplogroup? I have no idea, and neither does anyone else. The only way we can use haplogroups to determine Jewishness is that a larger number of people who claim to be Jews today happen to cluster within certain haplogroups, but this says nothing about the original haplogroups of Israelites. Admixtures could cycle out within 200 years (approximately 10 generations), so admixtures are more a way to determine one's recent ancestors, not one's ancient ancestors.

[Rethel]

Out of those at least Czartoryski's are not Polish either, but N1c1 through Lithuania

No. Polish real Czartoryscy ended in XVIIIth century.
The true ones live yet in Russia who emigrated there yet on XV-XVI centuries - and these are N1c.
Modern day Czartoryskis are of Frenach descent and one guy of Russian provenance, but he has only a daughter.
So, almost all are of French provenance and their Y-DNA is R1b.

[Rethel]

Modern ethnic Lithuanians are descendants of exclusively peasants.

No, on Samogitia there were many nobles okolices and zaściankis which today are lithuanized.
The same in the Aukshtota - especially Kovno area, which was totaly lithuanized in last 100 years.
Szlachta still exists there, they have even semi-official status recognized by lithuanian state.
Majority - yes, exclusivly - not. The most popular lithuanian surname is... Kozłowski.

at least 15% of citizens of Poland have ancestry from what is now Belarus, Lithuania, Ukraine, Latvia and Russia, many of them are N1c1.

How, if only 1,6-max2 mln were resettled what was then about 7% at max of the population of post war Poland???

His nickname on ABF is East Pole, he happens to be N1c1. He lives in Poland. He is extremely Pan-Slavic and wants to Indo-Europeanize all N1c1 people. He is a great N1c1 Indo-Europeanist.

And TA-tards say, I am a lunatic...

[Peterski]

The total number who moved was bigger than the number of those resettled. Some moved already during the war, and there was the 2nd repatriation, and some people continued moving atfer 1959 as well.

[Rethel]

The total number who moved was bigger than the number of those resettled. Some moved already during the war, and there was the 2nd repatriation, and some people continued moving atfer 1959 as well.

It is the number with all of it, and those after 1959 were not numerous.
All people who were classyfied and Poles able to be resettled were not more than 2 mln people.
Some of easteners were not even original Kresoviaks, but all who by some way landed in kresy or in Syberia.
In this number are propbably also Jews, because among 250.000 people from deep Russia, only 125,000 were Poles.



Many Mazowians, Małopolians and Podlachians landed on Syberia after 1939,
and many Kresoviaks were a XIX and especially XXth centuty settlers.
Of course it was not a very significant %, but still.

Litwa 1945 - max 383k zakwalifikowanych (nie koniecznie przesiedlownych)
Białoruś 1945 - max 535k
Ukraine 1945 - max 855k
Self migration, and running in 1944 - 300,000
Running before ukrainian reznia 1942+ - 300,000
Deep Russia (idk if counted in previous numbers) 1945 - 250,000 (50% Poles)

Together max 2,6 mln - but not all were resettled, and not all were originaly Kresoviaks.
If all would be, it would be still less than 15% because it would be 10% of post war population.