Sikeliot that perrenially confuses Greek and Slavic phenotypes

[Dimitri159]

Despite the geographical distance, many Greeks to me look more Iberian than like either of those two groups.

Greeks do not look closer to Iberians, they look closer to central and southern Italians. Greeks have more aquiline features while Iberians have more concave features.

[RogueState]

Ironically, since many Pontian Greeks settled in Greek Macedonia and Thessaloniki, I think you'll probably find more "exotic" West-Asian Armenoid looks in North Greece than in Athens...

[Dimitri159]

For Sikeliot

Typical Slavic Phenotype



Typical Light Greek Phenotype



Where the hell do you see similarities - would you like to borrow my glasses?

Where do I see the similarities? All bias aside, I see both have small bluish-gray eyes, small concave noses and medium-brown hair. But I am not certain whether those are particularly Slavic features or just general northern features that Slavs, Celts and Germanics all share alike.

And Sikeliot did not necessarily say ‘Greeks look Slavic’, but rather they ‘look more Slavic’ than other southern Europeans. I’m still not sure if I agree with that either though. If he meant to imply ‘more northern’ then I’d argue that Italians look the most northern if we include Celtic and Germanic influence in the north.

[Dimitri159]

Ironically, since many Pontian Greeks settled in Greek Macedonia and Thessaloniki, I think you'll probably find more "exotic" West-Asian Armenoid looks in North Greece than in Athens...

Exotic features (by general ‘European standards’) are not very unusual for Greeks of mainland or island ancestry either. But yes, more frequent for Pontic Greeks. And Athens also received a lot of Anatolian Greeks from Smyrna and other coastal regions of Turkey.

[Dimitri159]

Not looking like southern Italians or Cypriots does not mean that Greeks look similar to Slavic peoples either. Greeks form their own cluster.

If he was light, he would look it. Either way he does not look like southern Italians, Cypriots, etc.

Greeks generally do look similar to southern Italians and Cypriots though, especially Greeks of island ancestry (roughly 14-34% of Greece). The idea that Greeks are supposedly ‘the most northern-looking’ southern Europeans is false, whether it imply Slavic, Germanic or whatever. It sounds like an attempt to associate Greek history with northern Europeans because most northern Europeans cannot accept the fact that Western civilization was created by a wog type of people, and even many Greeks cannot accept that fact that we ARE a wog type of people.

[Tauromachos]

Exotic features (by general ‘European standards’) are not very unusual for Greeks of mainland or island ancestry either. But yes, more frequent for Pontic Greeks. And Athens also received a lot of Anatolian Greeks from Smyrna and other coastal regions of Turkey.

Athens has Greeks from every part of the Hellenic world North Greece,Peloponnese,Islands,Cyprus,Egypt,Pontus.... .

[Dimitri159]

Athens has Greeks from every part of the Hellenic world North Greece,Peloponnese,Islands,Cyprus,Egypt,Pontus.... .

Right. This is why Athenians plot right in between the mainland and islands on PCA diagrams that do include Athenian samples. The average Athenian nowadays is most likely a mixture of some mainland region and an island.

[Hellenas]

And Athens also received a lot of Anatolian Greeks from Smyrna and other coastal regions of Turkey.

Constantinoupolis, Smyrna and other coastal regions of Asia Minor. But those were Greeks in genes and phenotypes.

Anatolian Greeks(everything about them)
https://hellenicrace.freeforums.net/...atolian-greeks

Greeks of Asia Minor(photos & videos)
https://hellenicrace.freeforums.net/...-photos-videos

[Dimitri159]

Constantinoupolis, Smyrna and other coastal regions of Asia Minor. But those were Greeks in genes and phenotypes.

Anatolian Greeks(everything about them)
https://hellenicrace.freeforums.net/...atolian-greeks

Greeks of Asia Minor(photos & videos)
https://hellenicrace.freeforums.net/...-photos-videos

Yeah Athens received more from western Anatolia, Thessaloniki received more from Pontus. Greeks from the western coasts of Anatolia are about the same as mainland and especially island Greeks. Pontic Greeks are a little more different, but I still consider them Greek.

[Voskos]

Ironically, since many Pontian Greeks settled in Greek Macedonia and Thessaloniki, I think you'll probably find more "exotic" West-Asian Armenoid looks in North Greece than in Athens...

That's a myth. Population of Athens is of too many origins, city was depopulated and repopulated countless times. Mostly Albanians at first and then became a Greek city again thanks to Peloponnesians and Asian Minor Greeks.