R1a-M417 in Copper Age Alexandria

[Peterski]

Published yesterday, the oldest R1a-M417 so far (M417 is ancestral to all Indo-European R1a):

http://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/09/19/135616

http://www.biorxiv.org/highwire/file.../135616-2.xlsx

I6561, Alexandria, Ukraine, 3500 BC, Y DNA R1a1a1 M417, mtDNA H2a1a.

Alexandria (1 individual). An Eneolithic cemetery of the Sredny Stog II culture was excavated by D. Telegin in 1955-1957 near the village of Alexandria, Kupyansk district, Kharkov region on the left bank of the river Oskol.105 A total of 33 individuals were recovered.106 Based on craniometric analysis (I.Potekhina 1999) it was suggested that the Eneolithic inhabitants of Alexandria were not homogeneous and resulted from admixture of local Neolithic hunter-gatherers and early farmers, possibly Trypillian groups.107 We report genetic data from one individual: I6561.

Autosomally he could be similar to the later Central European Corded Ware culture individuals because it seems, that he already had Neolithic Farmer admixture (from Trypillian culture).

His mtDNA probably points also to the presence of CHG admixture.

[Peterski]

To all followers of "R1a out of India" and "R1a hunter-gatherer leftovers" theories:

[ЛыSSый]

But were they styhians or sarmatians? I'm interesting because i want to know which of group of turk-like brown subhumans will pretend on thise bones.

[The Sun King]

Haplogroup G started modern civilization with the invention of agriculture. Indo European’s just built on a previous society already in place.

[Lucas]

To all followers of "R1a out of India" and "R1a hunter-gatherer leftovers" theories:

Of course HG leftover but form Ukraine
Older sample is from mesolithic Vasilevka in the same paper)))

[Lucas]

I sorted available R1a from the table.

I1819
8825-8561 calBCE (9420±50 BP, Poz-81128)
Ukraine_Mesolithic
Vasil'evka
Ukraine
M
U5b2
R1a

I0061
6773-5886 BCE 
Karelia_HG
Yuzhnyy Oleni Ostrov, Karelia
Russia
M
C1
R1a1a1

I5876
5500-4800 BCE
Ukraine_Neolithic
Dereivka
Ukraine
M
U5a2a
R1a

I0433
5200-4000 BCE
Samara_Eneolithic
Khvalynsk, Volga River, Samara
Russia
M
U5a1i
R1a1

I6561
5000-3500 BCE
Ukraine_Eneolithic
Alexandria
Ukraine
M
H2a1a
R1a1a1

I0247
375-203 calBCE (2220±30 BP, Beta-392493)
Scythian_IA
Nadezhdinka, Volga Steppes, Samara
Russia
M
G2a4
R1a1a1b2a2a

I0432
2925-2491 calBCE (4180±84 BP, AA-12569)
Poltavka_outlier
Sok River, Samara
Russia
M
U5a1c
R1a1a1b2a

RISE61.SG
2851-2492 calBCE (4071±27 BP, OxA-28296)
Nordic_MN_B.SG
Kyndelöse
Denmark
M
J1c4
R1a1a1

RISE446.SG
2829-2465 calBCE (4015±38 BP, UBA-27950)
Corded_Ware_Germany.SG
Bergrheinfeld
Germany
M
U5b1c2
R1a1a1

RISE94.SG
2621-2472 calBCE (4025±30 BP, OxA-29033)
BattleAxe_Sweden.SG
Viby
Sweden
M
K1a2a
R1a1a1

I0104
2559-2296 calBCE (3927±37 BP, MAMS-21487)
Corded_Ware_Germany
Esperstedt
Germany
M
U4b1a1a1
R1a1a1

I1532
2500-2050 BCE
Corded_Ware_Germany
Esperstedt
Germany
M
J1c2e
R1a1a

I1544
2500-2050 BCE
Corded_Ware_Germany
Esperstedt
Germany
M
K2b2
R1a

I1540
2500-2050 BCE
Corded_Ware_Germany
Esperstedt
Germany
M
J1c5
R1a1

I1538
2500-2050 BCE
Corded_Ware_Germany
Esperstedt
Germany
M
J1c5
R1a

I1536
2500-2050 BCE
Corded_Ware_Germany
Esperstedt
Germany
M
U5a1g
R1a

RISE386.SG
2298-2045 calBCE (3775±34 BP, OxA-30991)
Sintashta_MBA_RISE.SG
Bulanovo
Russia
M
J1c1b1a
R1a

I0419
2200-1900 BCE
Potapovka
Utyevka, Samara River, Samara
Russia
M
U2e1h
R1a1a1b

RISE392.SG
2126-1896 calBCE (3626±33 BP, OxA-30999)
Sintashta_MBA_RISE.SG
Stepnoe Cemetery
Russia
M
J2b1a2a
R1a1a1b

I0430
1850-1600 BCE
Srubnaya
Spiridonovka II, Samara River, Samara
Russia
M
H3g
R1a1a1b2a2a

I0424
1850-1600 BCE
Srubnaya
Uvarovka, Samara River, Samara
Russia
M
T2b4
R1a1a1b2

I0423
1850-1200 BCE
Srubnaya_Outlier
Barinovka, Samara River, Samara
Russia
M
J2b1a2a
R1a1a1b2

I0232
1850-1200 BCE
Srubnaya
Novoselki, Northern Forest, Samara
Russia
M
U5a1f2
R1a1a1b2

I0361
1850-1200 BCE
Srubnaya
Spiridonovka IV, Samara River, Samara
Russia
M
H5b
R1a1a

I2163
1750-1625 calBCE (3400±30 BP, Beta-432796)
Bulgaria_MLBA
Merichleri, Kairyaka necropolis
Bulgaria
M
U5a2
R1a1a1b2

RISE512.SG
1446-1298 calBCE (3119±27 BP, OxA-31217)
Andronovo.SG
Kytmanovo
Russia
M
U2e1
R1a1a1

I0099
1193-979 calBCE (2889±30 BP, MAMS-21484)
Halberstadt_LBA
Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld
Germany
M
H23
R1a1a1b1a2

Still Karelianhs Hg are older than copper R1a from Ukraine

[Rethel]

Haplogroup G started modern civilization with the invention of agriculture.

Eee... our two main forefathers were agriculturalists, so, it is not
an achievment, because we all started as farmers truely saying.

Indo European’s just built on a previous society already in place.

Even if, then IEs did it - others who presumply had "greatest" achievemants, didn't.

[Rethel]

Of course HG leftover but form Ukraine
Older sample is from mesolithic Vasilevka in the same paper)))

Some anti-IE people probably think, that if someone is a
hunter, he cannot be an Indoeuropean. Interesting why?
Does non-hunting make people indoeuropean?

Still Karelianhs Hg are older than copper R1a from Ukraine

He was an Etruscian from Archangielsk speaking pure russian called sanscrit

Still Karelianhs Hg are older than copper R1a from Ukraine

Ca you add all R1 with b, but until/without IA?
(and even R2 if there are some)

[cosmoo]

To all followers of "R1a out of India" and "R1a hunter-gatherer leftovers" theories:

Still lived outside of Europe in Palaeolithic.

By the way, I hope estimated age of M417 (3500 B.C.) is not true, because it would mean Indo-Europeans were massive cucks.

[Tschaikisten]

This is great result, it aproves 5500 ybp TMRCA of R1a-M417, and it makes M417 most incest SNP ever.

Haplogroup G started modern civilization with the invention of agriculture. Indo European’s just built on a previous society already in place.