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Thread: Karl Marx's Theory of Nature - Dialectical Materialism

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    Default Recent Advances in Marxian Dialectics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Agapetos View Post
    “the whole world, natural, historical, intellectual, is represented as a process – i.e., as in constant motion, change, transformation, development; and the attempt is made to trace out the internal connection that makes a continuous whole of all this movement and development.” [Friedrich Engels - Socialism: Utopian & Scientific]

    It was in the decade after Hegel’s death – the 1840s – when Hegel’s popularity was at its peak in Germany, that Marx and Engels met and worked out the foundations of their critique of bourgeois society.

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    Marx and Engels began as supporters of Feuerbach. However, very soon they took up an opposition to Feuerbach to restore the Hegelian dialectic which had been abandoned by Feuerbach, and to free it from the rigidity of the idealistic Hegelian system and place the method on a materialist basis:

    Petros,

    You might be interested in a major recent effort to build upon the work of Marx and Engels in the development of a non-idealist dialectic, including a dialectic of Nature as a [the] whole.

    The Foundation Encyclopedia Dialectica [F.E.D.] research collective has discovered a 'mathematics of dialectics', and a dialectical progression of new, dialectical arithmetics, beginning with an arithmetic which is a "non-standard model" of the Peano "Natural" Numbers, N = {1, 2, 3, ...}, with a 'contra-Boolean' algebra of dialectical logic, which both aufheben-conserves and aufheben-negates the "Fundamental Law of Thought" of George Boole's arithmetic and algebra for formal logic. They summarize this progression of axioms-systems of dialectical mathematics via a single [meta-]equation, written in the language of the first explicitly dialectical system of arithmetic/algebra in this systems progression.

    They have applied that first system to formulate a single diachronic-dialectical [meta-]equation which summarizes the singular dialectic of Nature as a whole, to date, and which can be iterated forward one step to predict a next epoch in 'cosmological meta-evolution'.

    They have also applied that first system of dialectical-ideographic language to the reconstruction of the [tables of] contents of Marx's Capital, volumes I through III, via, again, a single synchronic-dialectical [meta-]equation, as well as to many other sub-universes and Domains within the universe as a whole.

    These include single [meta-]equations summarizing the historical dialectic of the meta-evolution of the human-social forces of production, and the historical dialectic of the meta-evolution of the human-social relations of production, as well as the historical dialectic of the meta-evolution of human-social formations.

    Their work can be accessed via the www.dialectics.org web site.


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    Miguel

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    I have ordered the Grundrisse, where Karl Marx explains how he makes use of dialectical materialism to analyse capitalism. In Grundrisse, Karl Marx lays the foundation for a critique of capitalism.
    In the Capital, his masterwork, Marx employs materialist dialectics.

    Materialism {+} Dialectics = Dialectical Materialism, where {+} refers to synthesis.
    Dialectical materialism {+historiography} = Historical materialism, which is an inversion of Hegelianism, but uses the same dialectical logic.

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    This thread was inspired by my dear Karl Marx and Dr. Jordan Peterson. It is largely a fictional account of dialectics of nature, it is hence dialectics of thought.
    I have a better thread in which I explain Dialectical Materialism accurately and thoroughly. This thread is Hegelian Dialectics on Jordan Petersonian steroids, (if you know what I mean).

    Check this thread where I discuss Karl Marx's and Friedrich Engels' Dialectical Materialism (or Dialectics of Nature) here.

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    Marx was an idiot.

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    Grundrisse

    Introduction

    1. Production in General
    2. General relation between production, distribution, exchange and consumption
    3. The Method of Political Economy
    4. Means (forces) of production and relations of production, relations of production and relations of circulation

    The Chapter on Money

    Darimon's theory of crises
    God export and crises
    Convertibility and no circulation
    Value and price
    Transformation of the commodity into exchange value;

    Money Contradictions
    I. Contradiction between commodity as product and commodity as exchange value
    II. Contradiction between purchase and sale
    III. Contradiction between exchange for the sake of exchange and exchange for the sake of commodities (Aphorisms)
    IV. Contradiction between money as a particular commodity vs as a general commodity

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    I guess Marx has some use from an educational point of view. He is like polio and I think his works should be used in schools in order to inoculate people for the rest of their lives. His ideology is socio-economic AIDS.



    Wake up and smell the coffee.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Agapetos View Post
    The materialist dialectic is the theoretical foundation of Marxism . The practice of Marxism is Communism.

    Dialectics is the method of reasoning which aims to understand things concretely in all their movement, change and interconnection, with their opposite and contradictory sides in unity.

    Dialectics is opposed to the formal, metaphysical mode of thought of ordinary understanding which begins with a fixed definition of a thing according to its various attributes.

    Friedrich Engels on the Dialectics of Nature

    "Motion is the mode of existence of matter. Never anywhere has there been matter without motion, or motion without matter, nor can there be."

    "Change of form of motion is always a process that takes place between at least two bodies, of which one loses a definite quantity of motion of one quality (e.g. heat), while the other gains a corresponding quantity of motion of another quality (mechanical motion, electricity, chemical decomposition).

    "Dialectics, so-called objective dialectics, prevails throughout nature, and so-called subjective dialectics (dialectical thought), is only the reflection of the motion through opposites which asserts itself everywhere in nature, and which by the continual conflict of the opposites and their final passage into one another, or into higher forms, determines the life of nature."

    "For dialectical philosophy nothing is final, absolute, sacred. It reveals the transitory character of everything and in everything; nothing can endure before it except the uninterrupted process of becoming and of passing away, of endless ascendancy from the lower to the higher."
    Dialectical Materialism = Dialectics (Logic) + Materialism (the Doctrine)
    Materialism asserts the primacy of the material over the ideal. Matter is primary in explanation, "idea"/the mental is secondary.
    Idealism asserts the primacy of the ideal over the material. The mental is primary in explanation, matter/ the physical is secondary.
    Marxism is Dialectical in its method of apprehension of phenomena of nature;
    The theory, the conception of these phenomena is materialistic.

    The Hegelian Dialectic: Thesis, Antithesis, Synthesis
    Thesis = a contradictory thought is affirmed, found contradictory
    Antithesis = negates Thesis, found yet contradictory
    Synthesis = negates the negation (Antithesis), bringing about the sublation (amalgamation) of Thesis and Antithesis into Synthesis.

    The Laws of Dialectics of Nature

    1. The passage of quantitative to qualitative changes
    2. The unity and conflict of opposites
    3. The negation of the negation

    Thread on Dialectical Materialism = Marxist Philosophy of Nature


    Marx's & Engels' Philosophy of Nature = Dialectical Materialism

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    The major logical flaws are covered by elaborate use of jargons, it is why these marxist theses need to be packed with vague terms. Some poets had said about 500 years ago that poetry should not be used for evil goals, marxists are doing just that, abusing every word they use. We still have such evil on earth, this is why this world needs God, this desperate reality of communist corruption is the very proof that we need God. Face it, marxism is a complex consequence of psychological deterioration(or collective dementia even given no evil theory, and of course entailing materialist corruption), like roaches, when you see one, there are 100 hidden. A marxist propaganda sticked, it means you have billions of criminals on the loose. As I have said, treat marxism as a consequential PHENOMENON, not ideology. Look at reality(if you care), look at statistics(when we can have them). Fake rhetorics, propagandas covering up the reality, just like how the marxists compose these filth, flashy words covering up flaws, draining these the propagandas, everything left there is pure crime.

    Marxism is pure science of corruption, yes , it is a pure human thing, nothing prophetical or devine, not in any Heaven Hell antagonism either. Maybe greatest crime is the total lack of devinity, at best a pool of pure scum eternally enslaved by every kind of delusion. Dialectics, economy, atheism, science, democracy, peace, equality, progress, value, philosophy, my God!! tell me a single word not abused by marxism? It is true if you find your enemy a communist, you lose, because communism is beyond lowlife, for you can not provoke a wild dog, subject parasites to citizen responsibility, therefore, all the point here is to move forward, never let yourself so left behind as to be touched by the antennas of communist vermins. Being marxist or not, if never a conscious decision, but a definition by crime, by deed, by bloodline, all ideological discussion concerning communism is joke. Their propagandas have only one goal, not to convert people, noboby believes it including themselfs, but to cover up their ugly putrid faces.
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