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Thread: Karl Marx's Theory of Nature - Dialectical Materialism

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    Default Karl Marx's Theory of Nature - Dialectical Materialism

    Petros Agapetos' Version of Karl Marx's Theory of Socio-Political-Ideological reality penetrates deep into a logical-harmonic theological substrate (The Logos - The Word).

    The Logos - The Logical Appeal - The Word - The Christ in Christian Mythology and Theology.
    The potential for chaos to transform into order must occur through a harmonic driving force acting on the very substrate of truth, but in the opposite direction from chaos, in order to create a habitable order. Order becomes then universally distributed, but must be localized through individual interaction with the substrate, for example through "speech".

    The Word may be conceptualized as The Harmony manifesting in Speech/Expression/Individualist Self-Actualization to recreate a more balanced form of Order out of Chaos.

    Harmony and Chaos create various degrees and gradations of Order, Abstract the notion of Order, Cohere and Correspond the laws of Logic.
    Harmony can be abstracted from the hierarchy of political economy of Ideals. Harmony restructures Order into a more stable Order with more truth-synthetic capability itself, since the method that produced it was a truth preserving structure, namely that the truth lies somewhere in between a Positive Thesis and its Antithesis.

    Philosophical dogmas that work to build belief systems that do work on nature carry authority that legitimates the use of these dogmas. Their use is self-justifying. There is harmony in the architecture of though in which forces and things are regarded as processes that are never complete, but in constant battle to assert themselves onto Ideological reality, where the battle space is in the minds of people. dPhilosophical authority is demonstrated by the Epistemic Virtues of the underlying philosophical suppositions and assumptions, as well as the Order of the Dogma, the Method, the Logic, the Methodology, the Principles, and Religious Exegetical Methodology.

    My Goal is to Unite the Left under One Banner, but it has to be done in order. Authoritarian Left needs self neutralization theses to break free from dogmatic substrata to a a higher synthesis in which they would be better fit to assert the primacy of nature and abstract the real from the concrete. The primary goal is to create an exegetical interpretative tradition and methodology that breaks loose of the failing faith-based dogmas contained in the Mythology of one's religion and break the shackles of religion onto their soul altogether, and help to create a new form of religion which is methodologically naturalist in method and principle, but ontologically materialist in its interpretation.

    My Political-Ideological Temperament is

    (Socialist Dialectical Idealist)
    Individualist
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    |
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    Collectivist
    (Dialectical Materialism)




    Aristotle - Socrates - Plato - Heraclitus - Epicurean Philosophy of Nature - Immanuel Kant - George Wilhelm Friedrish Hegel - Karl Marx - Friedrich Engels - Lennin - Trotsky.

    Dialectically Materialist Socialist Philosophies of the Hard Left. The Logos - A theological substrate from which Logic derives.

    Logos is the mental/transcendental/Ideal Substrate from which the quest for truth actualizes in "speech". Its action is consistent with its harmonic substratum (derives from Logos), but in action introduces New Chaos into the Order it seeks to create. Truth is a notion of language to refer to correspondence with reality in either a Pragmatic sense, or a Coherence sense, or a Correspondence sense.

    Marx's Philosophy of Nature has inspired me to work towards creating an Epistemology, Philosophy, and Religion for Secular Humanist (Materialists and Idealists alike), regardless of Political Temperaments, or Ideologies, none of that matters in an ideal sense in reality, what matters now is asserting a belief system that glorifies the Divinity of Truth, Speech, Individual Opportunity and Responsibility, Dialectically Materialism interpretation on motive forces in nature and their disturbances (i.e. Every abstract concept that really matters in reality in some Ideal manner has its opposite/antithetical/antagonistic/contradictory counterpart in "Ideal realm"

    Matter matters materially! (Materialist about matter)
    Matter matters ideally! (Idealist about matter)
    Ideals matter materially! (Materialist about Ideals)
    Ideals matter ideally! (Idealist about Ideals)

    I accept all of the above! But the point is to come up with a step by step synthesis in a particular order (supplemental algebraic abstraction methods).
    Dialectical Materialist interpretation relies on a non-standard form of Logic called Dialectical Logic, which violates the "Logical Absolutes" in that it asserts that in Logical realm there is a method and logic to thinking counter to our traditional logical conceptions (Aristotelian Logic - Classical Logic).

    The Logical Absolutes

    1. The Law of Identity (A=A). "Something is what it is"
    2. The Law of Non - Contradiction. "Something is not what it is not" - "No contradiction.
    3. The Law of Excluded Middle. "Either A or not A, Not both 'A and not A', Not neither 'A and not A'"

    In Dialectical Materialist Thought there is a 4D (including time, existential) model of logic in which A -> ~A ("A is not equal to A in time") which brings forth contradiction towards the Logical Transcendent, the Logical Absolutes that could not permit this in the 3D model alone.
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    Left _________________Right
    (Liberal) (Conservative)


    Left__________________ Right
    (Libertarian) (Authoritarian)


    Left___________________Right
    (Chaos - Driving Force) (Status Quo - Order)


    Left___________________Right
    (Collectivist) (Individualist)


    etc.

    There are these antithetical relationships between the Ideological struggle (in Ideal realm) between Political and Economic Ideals and Ideologies.
    They are to be abstracted from nature through a deeper interpenetration of the Noumenous (the Deepest/Realest Essence of Reality - ever-discoverable but ever-unknown) and the Transcendent (extra-categorical features of being - what transcends Matter and Ideal)

    Noumenon_______"Being"_______Phenomenon
    (what it is) (what it is like)
    Existence_____________________Essence


    Noumenous_______Abstract Matter from Concrete Noumouenous phenomenology, create the Ideal of "Matter" into our conception of reality_______Concretely real Ideal with driving force (antithetical power)

    Matter____________Ideal______________Transcendent
    Psyche Soul God
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    Thesis<_________"Synthesis in the mid-position"____________>Antithesis




    Synthesis<________"New Synthesis"__________> Antisynthesis

    The New Synthesis is a more stable neutralizing driving force than the Synthesis before.
    Therefore it Progresses in method rather than Regressing. Truth spirals out from concrete to abstract, from matter to idea,....creates a lens through which to view the world of things, processes, and forces, in ever propositional thesis ( i.e. force, process.etc) there is truth content (if in fact they are true), this truth content is in a conflict equilibrium with its antithetical falsity content. The class of the former two results in a synthesis - an amalgamation of a new Positivist Thesis that can neutralize its contradiction with more potent driving force due to its stability.

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    The method of Theisis-Antithesis-Synthesis

    In Dialectical Materialist Ontology there is only Ideas and Matter and all their derivatives.

    Matter<----------------------->Idea

    Material<----------------------> Ideal

    Concrete<---------------------> Abstract

    Real Abstraction<-------------> The reality of the Abstract

    Material<-----------"Concrete"------------->Ideal (more matter than idea)
    Material<-----------"Abstract"-------------->Ideal (more idea than matter)

    When one meshes the abstract with the concrete one derives the real abstraction.
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    Supplemental Algebra with Personhood components Id, Ego, and Super-Ego

    Id ~ Animal Nature
    Ego ~ Human Social Agency
    Super-Ego ~ Super-Human Nature

    Id<------------"Synthesis Alfa"--------------->Ego


    Ego------------"Synthesis Omega"------------>Super Ego


    Alfa-------------"Synthesis Ksi"---------------->Omega

    The final synthesis Ksi, then combines with Alfa and Omega in another Trinity - The Alfa-Omega Model.

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    Knowledge can be analyzed by these four Kantian determinants.


    Analytic (true by virtue of meaning of terms)<--------------------->Synthetic (true not just by virtue of the meaning of the terms)

    A-Priori (prior to senses)<----------------------> Empirical (A-posteriori, after the senses)

    These two 1-D determinants above can be orthogonally crossed with one-another, rising up from 1D to 2D

    Then there are four kinds of knowledge

    1. A priori Analytics (Deductive Analytic truths, and definitions, ex. "A triangle has three sides")
    2. A priori Synthetic (Philosophical, Mathematical, and Metaphysical knowledge)
    3. Empirical Analytic
    4 Empirical Synthetic (Scientific knowledge)

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    Marxian/Hegelian dialectic philosophy can be applied to the analysis of mythological content in any Religion.

    Christ - Logos - Logical Appeal (Reason & Rationality)
    God - Ethos - Ethical Appeal (Epistemology, Ethics, MetaEthics, "Goodness", "God-likeness")
    Holy Spirit - Pathos - Emotional Appeal (Aesthetics, "Beauty")




    Then each of the elements/compartments/components of the God-head can be associated with the the Transcendental Rhetoric (Logos-ethos-pathos), and synthesize the relationship between the contents of these mythological constructions, and apply antithetical counter-hypothesis testing. The dialectic is a compass of change, driving force, "motif", directionality, not a magical key to progress and truth. However it can act as an objective foundation from which to abstract objective progress, and test whether the hypothesis offered progressively converges to the truth.

    Thesis = Status Quo
    Antithesis = Driving Force for change~ becoming something else
    Synthesis = Amalgamation/Compromised Combination of Status Quo (Order) and Driving Force for change (Chaos)

    Synthesis<----------------"New Synthesis"------------------>Antisynthesis.

    The Collapse of the Status Quo into the Driving Force creates a richer form of the Status Quo, the Synthesis, which has more neutralization power to the Driving Force and is in a more harmonious equilibrium with its own antithesis, the Antisynthesis. Similarly, the New Synthesis has more neutralizing power than the previous synthesis. From Synthesis to New Synthesis implies a reordering of the original status quo through the introduction of harmonic effect, and by the application of a truth preserving analytic-deductive method.

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    The materialist dialectic is the theoretical foundation of Marxism . The practice of Marxism is Communism.

    Dialectics is the method of reasoning which aims to understand things concretely in all their movement, change and interconnection, with their opposite and contradictory sides in unity.

    Dialectics is opposed to the formal, metaphysical mode of thought of ordinary understanding which begins with a fixed definition of a thing according to its various attributes.

    Friedrich Engels on the Dialectics of Nature

    "Motion is the mode of existence of matter. Never anywhere has there been matter without motion, or motion without matter, nor can there be."

    "Change of form of motion is always a process that takes place between at least two bodies, of which one loses a definite quantity of motion of one quality (e.g. heat), while the other gains a corresponding quantity of motion of another quality (mechanical motion, electricity, chemical decomposition).

    "Dialectics, so-called objective dialectics, prevails throughout nature, and so-called subjective dialectics (dialectical thought), is only the reflection of the motion through opposites which asserts itself everywhere in nature, and which by the continual conflict of the opposites and their final passage into one another, or into higher forms, determines the life of nature."

    "For dialectical philosophy nothing is final, absolute, sacred. It reveals the transitory character of everything and in everything; nothing can endure before it except the uninterrupted process of becoming and of passing away, of endless ascendancy from the lower to the higher."

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    I'm idealist, materialism is something mortal and temporary.
    The good life is one inspired by love and guided by knowledge.

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