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Thread: Karl Marx's Theory of Nature - Dialectical Materialism

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    Liberty______________________Authority
    Liberal______________________Conservative
    Chaos_______________________Order
    Anarchy______________________Hierarchy
    Left_________________________Right

    Political beliefs and Ideologies may be categorized with the above 5 1-dimensional "unity of antitheses".

    These can be combined into several combinations of 2D and 3D structures, by either putting two or three lines orthogonally together (respectively).

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    welcome back! Where have u been?
    "Don't ask for guarantees. And don't look to be saved in any one thing, person, machine, or library. Do your own bit of saving, and if you drown, at least die knowing you were heading for shore."

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    I'm not religious but i'm not materialist either. Idealist.
    "Don't ask for guarantees. And don't look to be saved in any one thing, person, machine, or library. Do your own bit of saving, and if you drown, at least die knowing you were heading for shore."

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    Id (Animal Nature)
    Ego (Human Nature)
    Super Ego (Super-Human Nature)

    Synthesizing a synthetic personhood.


    Id<------------"Alfa"--------------->Ego

    Ego<----------"Omega"------------->Super Ego

    Alfa<----------"Ksi"------------------>Omega

    Alfa, Omega, and Ksi form a Trinity

    This trinity, by application of supplemental algebra, collapses into itself effectively resulting in a higher synthesis.
    Connecting the centers of the trinities creates a transcending Trinity that is an amalgamation of three trinities.
    Each line in the trinity represents a conflict/battle of Ideals contained in the mythological constructs. The relationship between the contents can be abstracted from the dialectical battle-space created through algebraic synthesis.

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    The Marxist view of the world is not only materialist, but also dialectical.

    Ideal<----------"Abstract"----------"Concrete"---------->Material


    The philosophy of Marxism is materialistic at its core.
    The essence of things is synthesized from "matter" and "ideas", creating the concrete, the abstract.
    The abstract and the concrete mesh together to synthesize either the reality of the abstraction or a real abstraction (ex. love, money, capital).
    Dialectically materalist philosophy gives a simple ontology - everything is divided into matter or ideas and their derivatives; therefore souls, spirits, ghosts, etc. would all fall into the ideal category (still within the purview of science) rather than the supernatural realm (which is unfalsifiable, and therefore never able to be proven false, disconfirmed, hence unscientific).

    An idealist believes that Ideas are primary in existence, and matter is just a derivative of the ideas in some Transcendent Idea realm. A materialist on the other hand asserts the primacy of matter, and explains the Ideal superstructure in terms of a material base.

    Ideal (Superstructure)
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    Matter (Material base)

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    Default The Laws of Dialectics of Nature - Karl Marx - Engels

    The Laws of Dialectical Materialism

    1. The Law of "Unity of Opposites" = The Law of Contradiction

    Hegel (Philosopher of German Idealism) describes the law of contradiction as a conflict theory between to opposing sides:

    "Everything is inherently contradictory" --> "Contradiction is the root of all movement" --> "The grasping of opposites in their unity is the most important aspect of dialectic.

    2. Quantity turns into Quality, through non-gradual leaps. --> "The gradual crumbling to pieces which does not alter the look and aspect of the whole"
    Example: Wetness is a quality that emerges from the number of water molecules. Motive/driving forces in nature undergo transformations due to contradictory opposites colliding/clashing with one another creating a higher synthetic space (mathematical space where forward moving/progressive theses are synthesized).

    3. The Law of Neutralization = Negation of Negation = Law of Transformation
    The more neutral synthetic thesis neutralizes the negation of the status quo.


    Status Quo (Thesis) <------------"Synthesis" (more neutral two both opposites, than opposites are to each other)---------------> Driving/Motive Force (Antithesis)

    The Law of Negation of Negation says that Synthesis neutralizes Driving Force better than Status Quo does. The law describes a nullification, a rendering void of some elements in both opposites, as a result of the synthetic process.

    The Synthesis itself has its own Antithesis (call it Anti-synthesis), then

    Synthesis<--------------------"New Synthesis"------------------>Antithesis of Synthesis = Anti-synthesis

    Therefore, New Synthesis is more progressive at defeating the Antithesis of Status quo, and is more stable, more neutral, possesses more neutralizing power, and therefore outlines a process of progress which converges to the truth, if the process is repeated with a higher synthesis than the one which started the hierarchy of thoughts.

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    I am investigating Karl Marx's Grundrisse - the theoretic framework from which Marx derives his blow to Capitalism in his unfinished masterpiece 'The Capital" ("Das Kapital").
    Marx also wrote the Communitst Manifesto with Friedrich Engels. Marx was a revolutionary figure and beuatiful writer, known for not finishing many of the works that he started.
    Marx was a philosopher first and scientist of political economy second. Marx's Doctoral dissertation was on Ancient Greek Philosophy of Nature. He was an Academic, a professor.
    Marx borrowed Hegelian Logic and Dialectics, synthesized his own materialist thesis of that logic and dialectics (called Dialectical Materialism) and applied the latter to Historiography to create a Materialist Theory of History.

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    Hegel's Phenomenology of Spirit in the Conception of the Zeitgeist (Time Mind/Spirit/Ghost)

    1. Being Nothing
    2. Becoming
    3. Essence
    4. Appearance
    5. Actuality
    6.Theoretical Mind
    7. Practical Mind
    8. The Universal
    9. The Particular
    10 The Singular

    Hegel gives 10 independent dimensions in which to conceptualize God, Spirit, Soul, Heaven, Hell, etc. (the Supernatural).


    Hegels method starts from being nothing and ends in the singular being. Hegel's epistemology is circular in motion.
    Marx's method starts from concrete matter and ends in a synthetic form of the abstract that has material features, and therefore is a Real Abstraction.
    Marx's method spirals towards the truth constantly approaching it but never reaching the Ultimate Truth.
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    Dialectical materialism is a tool for analyzing reality, not a set of dogmatic beliefs.
    People in power are generally not thrilled by a philosophy that teaches people how to change the status quo.
    Materialism is the philosophy of nature, dialectics is the method to analyzing it. It is not a dogmatic philosophical thesis, but a guide to action in the synthetic realm.
    It offers an analytic method of reasoning that is content creating, ampliative, and synthetic. The method is synthetic in its analyticity and analytic in its synthesis simultaneously.

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