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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutone View Post
    Why do non Islamic nations have higher divorce,aids,drug abuse and suicide rates?
    What is the point of comparing divorce in non-Muslim and Muslim countries, where there’s gender inequality in matters of marriage (several wives for men, etc.), divorce, inheritance, testimony, etc.?

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    “This article argues that according to the majority of Muslim jurists, a woman cannot obtain khul without the consent of her husband. […] On 27 May 2015, [in Pakistan]Mawlana Muhammad Khan Shirani, Chairman CII, opined that 'courts should refrain from dissolving 'nikah' (marriage contract) in the name of 'khula' or separation.' He argued that '[k]hula is an agreement between two parties and it should not be granted until the husband agrees to it.”

    https://sahsol.lums.edu.pk/law-journ...ystem-pakistan

    “In Bangladesh, sharia law goes hand in hand with the statutory laws of the land. These laws are both conjointly used to regulate and monitor the issues of divorce among Muslims of the country. Orthodox Islamic laws provide husbands with the authority of issuing divorce or talaq to their wives known as Talaq-e-Tawfiz (popularly known as tawfiz) in the kabinnama (the written document of the contract of marriage). Women’s power to exercise the tawfiz, however, depends solely on the will of their husbands. Although Muslim women are capable of repudiating their marriages by the process of khula or mubarat, these are only executable under the free consent of their husbands.”

    https://vc.bridgew.edu/jiws/vol21/iss6/4/

    And where do you get what you say from concerning drug abuse? Because there’s actually no reliable data in Muslim countries concerning that topic. And there are several Muslim countries that are well known for their huge problems linked to the use of drugs.https://quod.lib.umich.edu/j/jmmh/10...;view=fulltext

    What I now for sure is that in Western Europe, North African gangs are great specialists in dealing drugs.

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    Inbreeding

    Consanguinity is most concentrated in Muslim countries
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding#Humans

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC392897/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mopi View Post
    Inbreeding

    Consanguinity is most concentrated in Muslim countries
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding#Humans

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC392897/

    Consanguinity is probably more common among ashkenazi jews but despite this they are still one of the "smartest" group on earth :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_genetics_of_Jews
    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,...098351,00.html


    I would also question the reliability of these datas :


    For 50 years, Richard Lynn has been at the forefront of scientific racism. An unapologetic eugenicist, Lynn uses his authority as professor (emeritus) of psychology at the University of Ulster to argue for the genetic inferiority of non-white people. Lynn believes that IQ tests can be used to determine the worth of groups of people, especially racial groups and nations.
    https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-h...l/richard-lynn

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    Maybe because learning there is so heavily focused on rote learning. Many scientists and teachers think that is the least efficient way to learn.

    Rote learning is a memorization technique based on repetition. The idea is that one will be able to quickly recall the meaning of the material the more one repeats it. Some of the alternatives to rote learning include meaningful learning, associative learning, and active learning.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rote_learning

    Among other sociological and economic factors, like the lack of a middle class, Dr. Hoodbhoy attributes the malaise of Muslim science to an increasing emphasis over the last millennium on rote learning based on the Koran.

    ''The notion that all knowledge is in the Great Text is a great disincentive to learning,'' he said. ''It's destructive if we want to create a thinking person, someone who can analyze, question and create.'' Dr. Bruno Guideroni, a Muslim who is an astrophysicist at the National Center for Scientific Research in Paris, said, ''The fundamentalists criticize science simply because it is Western.''

    Other scholars said the attitude of conservative Muslims to science was not so much hostile as schizophrenic, wanting its benefits but not its world view. ''They may use modern technology, but they don't deal with issues of religion and science.'' said Dr. Bakar.

    One response to the invasion of Western science, said the scientists, has been an effort to ''Islamicize'' science by portraying the Koran as a source of scientific knowledge.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/30/s...n-science.html

    Quote Originally Posted by Laly View Post
    What is the point of comparing divorce in non-Muslim and Muslim countries, where there’s gender inequality in matters of marriage (several wives for men, etc.), divorce, inheritance, testimony, etc.?

    Ex.:

    “This article argues that according to the majority of Muslim jurists, a woman cannot obtain khul without the consent of her husband. […] On 27 May 2015, [in Pakistan]Mawlana Muhammad Khan Shirani, Chairman CII, opined that 'courts should refrain from dissolving 'nikah' (marriage contract) in the name of 'khula' or separation.' He argued that '[k]hula is an agreement between two parties and it should not be granted until the husband agrees to it.”

    https://sahsol.lums.edu.pk/law-journ...ystem-pakistan

    “In Bangladesh, sharia law goes hand in hand with the statutory laws of the land. These laws are both conjointly used to regulate and monitor the issues of divorce among Muslims of the country. Orthodox Islamic laws provide husbands with the authority of issuing divorce or talaq to their wives known as Talaq-e-Tawfiz (popularly known as tawfiz) in the kabinnama (the written document of the contract of marriage). Women’s power to exercise the tawfiz, however, depends solely on the will of their husbands. Although Muslim women are capable of repudiating their marriages by the process of khula or mubarat, these are only executable under the free consent of their husbands.”

    https://vc.bridgew.edu/jiws/vol21/iss6/4/

    And where do you get what you say from concerning drug abuse? Because there’s actually no reliable data in Muslim countries concerning that topic. And there are several Muslim countries that are well known for their huge problems linked to the use of drugs.https://quod.lib.umich.edu/j/jmmh/10...;view=fulltext

    What I now for sure is that in Western Europe, North African gangs are great specialists in dealing drugs.
    Pakistan has a bit of a drug problem, it seems.

    According to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Pakistan has 6.7 million drug users. More than 4 million of these are addicts, amongst the highest number for any country in the world. According to the 2020 research article published in Elsevier, the first step towards drug addiction starts with smoking. Researchers also state that drug usage in movies also influences the behaviour of drug consumption among university students.[4]

    Abuse of cannabis and heroin is rife in the country and the drugs are extremely cheap and easy to get. Most of the drugs come from Afghanistan, the country that is responsible for at least 75% of the world's heroin.[5] UNODC calculates that more than 800,000 Pakistanis aged between 15 and 64 use heroin regularly. It is also estimated that up to 44 tons of processed heroin are consumed annually in Pakistan. A further 110 tons of heroin and morphine from neighboring Afghanistan are trafficked through Pakistan to international markets. Furthermore, Pakistan's illegal drug trade is believed to generate up to $2 billion a year.[6]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_a...on_in_Pakistan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Östsvensk View Post
    Maybe because learning there is so heavily focused on rote learning. Many scientists and teachers think that is the least efficient way to learn.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rote_learning


    https://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/30/s...n-science.html



    Pakistan has a bit of a drug problem, it seems.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_a...on_in_Pakistan
    And Morocco is the world's first producer of hashish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutone View Post
    Why do non Islamic nations have higher divorce,aids,drug abuse and suicide rates?
    That is kind of classed based. The lower 'white' working classes tend to have lower IQs hence it is kind of eugenic :

    1.)The 'white' working classes, at least in America, have the highest divorce rates within the 'white' demographic. America has a low standard for 'whiteness'. I know divorce is prevalent in the UK etc.. too as 2 in 5 marriages end in divorce but they tend to remarry , like King Henry , the originator of this whole state of affairs, and I'm not sure if it is classed based either but it may also be I suspect.

    2.)Being on welfare enslaves the lowest classes to bad habits including drug abuse but not everyone who abuses drugs is on welfare but there is a strong correlation. If you are smart you realize you are being enslaved to bad habits and you think yourself out of the situation. Low IQ welfarites dying of drug abuse is a bad thing ??!

    3.)Suicide ? If you can't handle the capitalist pressure its time to jump out of the frying pan into the fire : wimps taking their inferior mindset , probably largely genetic, out of the gene pool.

    4.) AIDs is a politically correct disease that probably does not exist as it fails Koch's postulates and I should have AIDs by now : I've been through hell and back (that which does not kill me makes me strong --Nietzsche) :

    Koch's postulates are the following:

    The microorganism must be found in abundance in all organisms suffering from the disease, but should not be found in healthy organisms.
    The microorganism must be isolated from a diseased organism and grown in pure culture.
    The cultured microorganism should cause disease when introduced into a healthy organism.
    The microorganism must be reisolated from the inoculated, diseased experimental host and identified as being identical to the original specific causative agent.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch%27s_postulates

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    How many Middle Easterners have even taken I.Q tests though? An I.Q test is something you generally get as part of a criminal trial or something you seek out, its not a common occurrence even in the west. I would say the data for I.Q tests is very flawed. But there are brilliant middle easterners for sure, a lot of Arabs are doctors, scientists, engineers etc.
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    I dont know it depends,historically speaking muslims were lot smarter than christians...i guess it depends on how developed the country is
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    Islamic nations are developing very fast and are closing the gap with the West every decades
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    Quote Originally Posted by RogueState View Post
    Islamic nations are developing very fast and are closing the gap with the West every decades
    The West is going to be Muslim in a few decades.

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