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    Quote Originally Posted by Hudayar View Post
    As far as i saw Turks mostly get Southern European populations as their second or first population approx. Like Greeks for example. Or Sicilians. Anyway you probably got my point


    What about Gedrosia K3 though? Other calculators have outdated population components btw.
    it depends what the secondary population is (nogai or turkmen or something else etc.). and also depends on the turk itself

    K3 has only 3 population admix so a very vague calc and (therefore) has odd oracles

    his K3


    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 W_Eurasian 86.52
    2 E_Eurasian 12.06
    3 SSA 1.42


    Finished reading population data. 129 populations found.
    3 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Turkish @ 0.903314
    2 Balkar @ 1.297655
    3 Russian @ 2.760215
    4 Iranian @ 2.859714
    5 Finnish @ 3.162188
    6 Mordovian @ 3.368108
    7 Adygei @ 4.954739
    8 Kurd_C @ 5.401672
    9 Chechen @ 6.723159
    10 Kurd_N @ 7.898965
    11 Loschbour @ 9.562022
    12 Makrani @ 9.802026
    13 Abkhasian @ 9.995587
    14 Tajik_Pomiri @ 10.100055
    15 Brahui @ 10.364480
    16 Georgian_Jew @ 10.448834
    17 Estonian @ 10.566662
    18 Balochi @ 10.723284
    19 Belarusian @ 11.221881
    20 Iranian_Jew @ 11.505964

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Balochi +50% Estonian @ 0.000000
    2 50% Brahui +50% Estonian @ 0.000000
    3 50% Georgian_Jew +50% Tajik_Pomiri @ 0.000000
    4 50% Balochi +50% Belarusian @ 0.263091
    5 50% Brahui +50% Loschbour @ 0.352371
    6 50% Kalash +50% Sicilian @ 0.372162
    7 50% Belarusian +50% Brahui @ 0.436291
    8 50% Kalash +50% Spanish @ 0.459730
    9 50% Cypriot +50% Kalash @ 0.461215
    10 50% Pathan +50% Sardinian @ 0.503562
    11 50% Pashtun_Afghan +50% Spanish @ 0.542759
    12 50% LBK_EN +50% Pathan @ 0.551453
    13 50% Abkhasian +50% Brahui @ 0.563388
    14 50% Balochi +50% Loschbour @ 0.568372
    15 50% Abkhasian +50% Balochi @ 0.581604
    16 50% Balkar +50% Turkish @ 0.654653
    17 50% Pashtun_Afghan +50% Sardinian @ 0.656489
    18 50% Iranian_Jew +50% Tajik_Pomiri @ 0.738325
    19 50% LBK_EN +50% Pashtun_Afghan @ 0.744353
    20 50% Balochi +50% Ukrainian @ 0.750155


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Abkhasian +25% Armenian +25% Vaish @ 0.000000

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    Quote Originally Posted by All-In View Post
    it depends what the secondary population is (nogai or turkmen or something else etc.). and also depends on the turk itself

    K3 has only 3 population admix so a very vague calc and (therefore) has odd oracles

    his K3


    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 W_Eurasian 86.52
    2 E_Eurasian 12.06
    3 SSA 1.42


    Finished reading population data. 129 populations found.
    3 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Turkish @ 0.903314
    2 Balkar @ 1.297655
    3 Russian @ 2.760215
    4 Iranian @ 2.859714
    5 Finnish @ 3.162188
    6 Mordovian @ 3.368108
    7 Adygei @ 4.954739
    8 Kurd_C @ 5.401672
    9 Chechen @ 6.723159
    10 Kurd_N @ 7.898965
    11 Loschbour @ 9.562022
    12 Makrani @ 9.802026
    13 Abkhasian @ 9.995587
    14 Tajik_Pomiri @ 10.100055
    15 Brahui @ 10.364480
    16 Georgian_Jew @ 10.448834
    17 Estonian @ 10.566662
    18 Balochi @ 10.723284
    19 Belarusian @ 11.221881
    20 Iranian_Jew @ 11.505964

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Balochi +50% Estonian @ 0.000000
    2 50% Brahui +50% Estonian @ 0.000000
    3 50% Georgian_Jew +50% Tajik_Pomiri @ 0.000000
    4 50% Balochi +50% Belarusian @ 0.263091
    5 50% Brahui +50% Loschbour @ 0.352371
    6 50% Kalash +50% Sicilian @ 0.372162
    7 50% Belarusian +50% Brahui @ 0.436291
    8 50% Kalash +50% Spanish @ 0.459730
    9 50% Cypriot +50% Kalash @ 0.461215
    10 50% Pathan +50% Sardinian @ 0.503562
    11 50% Pashtun_Afghan +50% Spanish @ 0.542759
    12 50% LBK_EN +50% Pathan @ 0.551453
    13 50% Abkhasian +50% Brahui @ 0.563388
    14 50% Balochi +50% Loschbour @ 0.568372
    15 50% Abkhasian +50% Balochi @ 0.581604
    16 50% Balkar +50% Turkish @ 0.654653
    17 50% Pashtun_Afghan +50% Sardinian @ 0.656489
    18 50% Iranian_Jew +50% Tajik_Pomiri @ 0.738325
    19 50% LBK_EN +50% Pashtun_Afghan @ 0.744353
    20 50% Balochi +50% Ukrainian @ 0.750155


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Abkhasian +25% Armenian +25% Vaish @ 0.000000
    K3 is only good to learn what percent Asian/SSA one person is. Because Gedrosia K3 has only 3 major components, you can't use it for population approximation/mix guesses. But it can be used to broadly understand the Caucasoid+SSA+Asian heritage of one person.

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    wait actually i've just learned that Ancestral_Altaic is not a mongoloid component. Well that came as a surprise to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hudayar View Post
    wait actually i've just learned that Ancestral_Altaic is not a mongoloid component. Well that came as a surprise to me.
    it peaks in Amerindians and people like Hakas , Altaians , Bashkirs have a decent amount of it so a big part of it should be mongoloid

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    Quote Originally Posted by All-In View Post
    it peaks in Amerindians and people like Hakas , Altaians , Bashkirs have a decent amount of it so a big part of it should be mongoloid
    I hope they improve the calculators soon. it seems population components still need some work. But i think a big part or a small part of it is ancient mongoloid.

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    Thus 'Turks' of Turkey largely have almost nothing in common with real Turks. The whole idea of an nation 'Turkey' goes back to Fascists, and is the biggest lie of all of this lousy plannet. Give back 'Turkey' to its Greek, Kurdish, Armenian, Caucasian, ..., real owners!

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    East Eurasian admixture in Turks depends a lot, some Turks have almost 0, others are around 15%, would be nice to get samples from Turkic Turks only and compare since Turkey is also full of non-Turkic immigrants and citizens

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    I have kit numbers from turks from erzurum and trabzon . they score almost no east eurasian

    but they are outliers

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    Quote Originally Posted by All-In View Post
    I have kit numbers from turks from erzurum and trabzon . they score almost no east eurasian

    but they are outliers
    Isn't Erzurum partly Kurdish and (was) Armenian?

    Trabzon is full of Laz people afaik but I could be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pahli View Post
    Isn't Erzurum partly Kurdish and (was) Armenian?

    Trabzon is full of Laz people afaik but I could be wrong.
    the kit numbers I have/speak about are from ethnic turks

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