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    Quote Originally Posted by Eggyolk View Post

    Their caucasoid is majority MENA tho
    Really? I thought their caucasoid admix is mostly from turkics and steppe scythians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    Gedrosia Ancient Eurasia K6

    Buryat:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 East_Asian 81.59
    2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 8.61
    3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 5.91
    4 Natufian 3.64

    5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 0.25

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Kalmyk 3.64

    18.16% Caucasoid

    Tuvan:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 East_Asian 81.82
    2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 7.41
    3 Natufian 4.53
    4 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 3.31

    5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 2.42
    6 Sub_Saharan 0.51

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Kalmyk 4.19

    15.25% Caucasoid

    An East Asian for comparison. I think a Korean

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 East_Asian 98.09
    2 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 1.91

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Han 0.28
    Why include Ancestral North Eurasian admixture ?


    It's basically saying no pure Mongoloid exist and it's highest in the predominant Mongoloid Selkups, Kets who are mixed with Russians to a extend, the funny thing is this component is even higher than some Caucasoid populations of North Africa and Entreans who are the most Caucasoid of East Africans have none.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Septentrion View Post
    Mongolian genome:
    Central Asia = 59%
    Eastern Asia = 25%
    Finland & Northern Siberia = 8%
    Asia Minor = 6%
    Eastern Europe = 2%
    Thus we can estimate Caucasoid genes ( Eastern Europe + Finland & Northern Siberia + Asia Minor) account for approximately 12% of the Mongolian genome.
    Northern Siberia = AKA " Indigenous small-numbered peoples of the North, Siberia and the Far East "



    All of them which are Mongoloid ethnic group with exception of Finland who are not Mongoloid but have Mongoloid DNA and a few Mongoloid/Caucasoid group

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indige...d_the_Far_East

    Aleuts (алеуты): Kamchatka Krai - 700
    Alyutors (алюторцы): Kamchatka Krai
    Chelkans (челканцы)
    Chukchis (чукчи): Chukotka Autonomous Okrug, Magadan Oblast, Kamchatka Krai - 15,767
    Chulyms (чулымцы), Tomsk Oblast, Krasnoyarsk Krai - 656
    Chuvans (чуванцы): Chukotka Autonomous Okrug, Magadan Oblast
    Dolgans (долганы): Krasnoyarsk Krai, Sakha Republic
    Enets (*) (энцы) (Yenets, Russian plural: Entsy, obsolete: Yenisei Samoyeds, Yenisei Ostyak, Kets): Krasnoyarsk Krai
    Eskimo (Siberian Yupik, Inuit) (эскимосы): Chukotka Autonomous Okrug
    Naukan
    Evenks (эвенки)
    Evens (эвены)
    Itelmens (ительмены): Kamchatka Krai, Magadan Oblast
    Kamchadals (камчадалы, a general term for mixed population of Kamchatka Peninsula): Kamchatka Krai
    Kereks (кереки): Chukotka Autonomous Okrug
    Kets (кеты)
    Khanty (ханты): (Old Russian Term: Ostyaks), Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug, Yamal-Nenets Autonomous Okrug,
    Koryaks (коряки): Kamchatka Krai, Chukotka Autonomous Okrug, Magadan Oblast
    Kumandins (кумандинцы)
    Mansi (манси), (Old Russian term: Voguls), Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug,
    Nanai (нанайцы)
    Negidals (негидальцы)
    Nenets (*) (Russian plural: Nentsy, old Russian name Samoyeds) (ненцы):Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, Krasnoyarsk Krai, Khanty–Mansi Autonomous Okrug, Arkhangelsk Oblast, Komi Republic
    Nganasans (Tavgi) (нганасаны): Krasnoyarsk Krai
    Nivkhs (нивхи)
    Oroks (ороки)
    Orochs (орочи)
    Sami (old Russian name Lopar, i.e., Lapp) (саамы, саами): Murmansk Oblast - 1,991
    Selkups (селькупы)
    Shors (шорцы)
    Soyots (сойоты)
    Taz (тазы)
    Telengits (теленгиты)
    Teleuts (телеуты)
    Tofalars or Tofa (тофалары или тофы)
    Tubalars (тубалары)
    Tozhu (тувинцы-тоджинцы), a subgroup of the Tuvans: Tyva republic
    Udege (удэгейцы)
    Ulchs (ульчи)
    Veps (*) (вепсы): Republic of Karelia, Leningrad Oblast
    Yukaghirs (юкагиры): Sakha Republic, Chukotka Autonomous Okrug, Magadan Oblast

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    Quote Originally Posted by ButlerKing View Post
    Why include Ancestral North Eurasian admixture ?


    It's basically saying no pure Mongoloid exist and it's highest in the predominant Mongoloid Selkups, Kets who are mixed with Russians to a extend, the funny thing is this component is even higher than some Caucasoid populations of North Africa and Entreans who are the most Caucasoid of East Africans have none.
    Bro, what you post is usually pure horseshit. Sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    Bro, what you post is usually pure horseshit. Sorry.

    Nowhere close to that

    DNA

    " A people similar to MA-1 were important genetic contributors to Native Americans, Europeans, Central and South Asians, and minor contribution to East Eurasians. [10] Lazaridis et al. (2016) notes "a cline of ANE ancestry across the east-west extent of Eurasia."[11] According to a 2016 study, it was found that the global maximum of ANE ancestry occurs in modern-day Kets, Mansi, Native Americans, Nganasans and Yukaghirs.[3] "


    One of the highest ANE in the world and almost all of them have 100% East Asian DNA with only few with 0.1% and 0.5% European admixture





    Another Siberian Mongoloids like Nganasans are the Yukaghirs also showed 100% East Asian admixture

    Here is ANE in Mongoloids in East Asia Oroqen have it 9.24% and and Daur 7.07%, they are all 100% East Eurasian genetically.



    Oroqen have one of the highest Siberian component a DNA that reaches 40-60% in Mongolian 30-55% in Koreans. In this study West Mongolians who have different degree of Turkic ancestry shows west Eurasian admixture, it makes sense when they are several Turkic ethnic group residing there.

    Last edited by ButlerKing; 11-17-2017 at 10:54 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuvaq View Post
    Very interesting. Were they from Mongolia and which part if you know?

    Also do you mind providing some of their gedmatch kits please?

    There use to be Steppe and Turkic tribes in what is now present day Mongolia. They might be responsible for the small amounts of caucasoid admix in the Mongol results.
    i think most of them were from mongolia but i guess some of them might have been immigrants to other countries, but i'm sure they were all ethnic mongols. i never had access to their gedmatch kits, i don't even think 23andme allows you to add contacts to share ancestry data anymore. yeah it is probably from minor admix with iranic or tocharian indo european peoples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuvaq View Post
    Very interesting. I heard that ANE/Ancient North Eurasian have some ENA admix tho. So they might be a bit less Caucasoid than that.

    Do you mind providing their gedmatch kits if you don't mind?
    In fact ANE/Ancient North Eurasian even exist in high percentages in Mongoloid populations where Caucasoid admixture reaches 0%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ButlerKing View Post
    In fact ANE/Ancient North Eurasian even exist in high percentages in Mongoloid populations where Caucasoid admixture reaches 0%.
    Leto proved otherwise running them on gedmatch

    I will have a look myself

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hudayar View Post
    Does anyone know?
    Without including this ANE component ( Ancient North Eurasian ) which is proven to exist in very high percentages in pure Mongoloid populations showing 0% Caucasoid admixture. Therefore the real admixture the Caucasoid admixture in these Mongol tribes are generally only small with exception of western part of Mongolia.

    Mongolian DNA

    Dark yellow: East Asian
    Light yellow: Siberian
    Dark Purple: East Siberian,
    Light purple: Chuckhi, Eskimo

    Caucasoid DNA


    Blue: Europeans
    Green: West Asian
    Dark Green: South Asian


    Mongoloid DNA in Buryat 88-96%
    Caucasoid DNA in Buryat 4-12% (2-8% if you don't want to include South Asian as Caucasoid )



    Mongoloid DNA in Tuvans 85 - 92.5%
    Caucasoid DNA in Tuvans 8.5 -15% (7% - 12% if you don't want to include South Asians )




    Mongols from Mongolia

    East Mongols

    Mongoloid DNA in East Mongolian 95-99%
    Caucasoid DNA in East Mongolian 1-5%


    West Mongols DNA

    Mongoloid DNA in West Mongolian 83-86%
    Caucasoid DNA in West Mongolian 14-17% ( very negligible South Asians )




    We shouldn't be surprised with west Mongolian showing such DNA. There are Kazakhs and other Turkified or Mongolified tribes there.

    Also a Kazakh who is 70% Mongoloid on average and you mix with a 100% Mongoloid of course you're going to produce roughly 85% Mongoloid. Like many African americans who is 66% Black, you mix with another pure 100% Black you're still going to get 17% Caucasoid

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    Quote Originally Posted by ButlerKing View Post
    Without including this ANE component ( Ancient North Eurasian ) which is proven to exist in very high percentages in pure Mongoloid populations showing 0% Caucasoid admixture. Therefore the real admixture the Caucasoid admixture in these Mongol tribes are generally only small with exception of western part of Mongolia.

    Mongolian DNA

    Dark yellow: East Asian
    Light yellow: Siberian
    Dark Purple: East Siberian,
    Light purple: Chuckhi, Eskimo

    Caucasoid DNA


    Blue: Europeans
    Green: West Asian
    Dark Green: South Asian


    Mongoloid DNA in Buryat 88-96%
    Caucasoid DNA in Buryat 4-12% (2-8% if you don't want to include South Asian as Caucasoid )



    Mongoloid DNA in Tuvans 85 - 92.5%
    Caucasoid DNA in Tuvans 8.5 -15% (7% - 12% if you don't want to include South Asians )




    Mongols from Mongolia

    East Mongols

    Mongoloid DNA in East Mongolian 95-99%
    Caucasoid DNA in East Mongolian 1-5%


    West Mongols DNA

    Mongoloid DNA in West Mongolian 83-86%
    Caucasoid DNA in West Mongolian 14-17% ( very negligible South Asians )




    We shouldn't be surprised with west Mongolian showing such DNA. There are Kazakhs and other Turkified or Mongolified tribes there.

    Also a Kazakh who is 70% Mongoloid on average and you mix with a 100% Mongoloid of course you're going to produce roughly 85% Mongoloid. Like many African americans who is 66% Black, you mix with another pure 100% Black you're still going to get 17% Caucasoid
    interesting. I was aware of Western Mongolians mixing with Turkics (maybe Kazakhs).

    Do you happen to have gedmatch kitnumbers of mongolians? East, Central, West doesn't matter.

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