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    Their Caucasoid admixture have various sources. e.g. some Mongols got it from Central Asians (similar to Kazakhs-Mongol mixing). And the others could be from concubines and slaves from Europe, West and South Asia.

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    The Mongols tend to be excellent representatives of the Mongoloid racial type that was named after them but some western Mongols have hair that's lighter than black, blue or green eyes, and/or pink skin from having intermarried with Caucasoid/Europoid peoples. As in the case of Mongols from Mongolia, there are some Kalmyks with green eyes and/or blond hair, rather than the typical black hair and brown/black eyes of the Mongoloid race.

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    I saw quite many mongolians with light hair (light brown-reddish-blondish) and even some hazel-blue eyes mongolians. I knew they have some caucasian DNA.

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    Mongolians do not look Caucasoid at all. They look very Mongoloid, but in a different way from East Asians that is kind of hard to explain. They are part of the Ural-Altaic family, meaning they are closer to Turkics than they are to Sino-Tibetans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hudayar View Post
    There's no such thing as Central Asian dna
    Why would you say that the people of Central Asia do have their own DNA? Every group does, don’t they?

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    The Scyths did indeed bury some of their dead in Mongolia, but the question is were they pure Hermitage Museum Scyths upon arrival who hybridized there or did it in transit before settling until finally being fully absorbed. We know the very earliest Tarim mummies were overwhelmingly PIE, but were as racially swallowed up as the Altai Scyths, Mongols being the most reproductively prolific race anciently and even presently, so the question should be, why aren't Slavs more Mongol-shifted, not whether or not they are. Off topic, but an Indra-like gleaming copper club was found in the crook of the left arm of a chieftan's skeletal remains, remnants of leather around the grip, in the Yamnaya cemetery of Kutuluk. A youtubing behavioral PIE denier, upon reading the description of Indra's club in the Rig Veda, finally came to the conclusion that yes they did mostly conquer, not simply export language through trade, whatever that means.

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    From Dodecad K12b

    Khalkha Mongols (the dominant subgroup in Mongolia)
    Code:
    Mongol_Khalkh,3.14,32.62,0.22,6.40,0.61,5.19,0.85,0.10,0.44,47.33,3.01,0.08
    = 12.39%

    Uuld Mongols, a minor subgroup of Mongols
    Code:
    Mongol_Uuld,4.73,33.82,0.13,4.31,0.76,5.76,0.48,0.11,0.44,45.93,3.34,0.20
    = 15.03%

    For comparison

    Kalmyks
    Code:
    Kalmyk,4.18,34.5,0.27,3.84,1.92,6.85,0.35,0,0.61,43.49,3.9,0
    = 17.46%

    Buryats
    Code:
    Buryat,3.62,42.84,0.24,1.96,0.81,4.40,0.80,0.11,0.46,42.32,2.35,0.10
    = 11.64%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    From Dodecad K12b

    Khalkha Mongols (the dominant subgroup in Mongolia)
    Code:
    Mongol_Khalkh,3.14,32.62,0.22,6.40,0.61,5.19,0.85,0.10,0.44,47.33,3.01,0.08
    = 12.39%

    Uuld Mongols, a minor subgroup of Mongols
    Code:
    Mongol_Uuld,4.73,33.82,0.13,4.31,0.76,5.76,0.48,0.11,0.44,45.93,3.34,0.20
    = 15.03%

    For comparison

    Kalmyks
    Code:
    Kalmyk,4.18,34.5,0.27,3.84,1.92,6.85,0.35,0,0.61,43.49,3.9,0
    = 17.46%

    Buryats
    Code:
    Buryat,3.62,42.84,0.24,1.96,0.81,4.40,0.80,0.11,0.46,42.32,2.35,0.10
    = 11.64%
    Buryats being even more pure Mong than Mongolians themselves, it is very impressive!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy View Post
    Buryats being even more pure Mong than Mongolians themselves, it is very impressive!
    They live to the North of modern Mongolia, hence have more Tungus or similar admixture. In the 1920s the newly created republic was called the Buryat-Mongolian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic. Later the Mongolian part was removed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    From Dodecad K12b

    Khalkha Mongols (the dominant subgroup in Mongolia)
    Code:
    Mongol_Khalkh,3.14,32.62,0.22,6.40,0.61,5.19,0.85,0.10,0.44,47.33,3.01,0.08
    = 12.39%

    Uuld Mongols, a minor subgroup of Mongols
    Code:
    Mongol_Uuld,4.73,33.82,0.13,4.31,0.76,5.76,0.48,0.11,0.44,45.93,3.34,0.20
    = 15.03%

    For comparison

    Kalmyks
    Code:
    Kalmyk,4.18,34.5,0.27,3.84,1.92,6.85,0.35,0,0.61,43.49,3.9,0
    = 17.46%

    Buryats
    Code:
    Buryat,3.62,42.84,0.24,1.96,0.81,4.40,0.80,0.11,0.46,42.32,2.35,0.10
    = 11.64%
    I would also add the Khamnegans who seem to be another Mongol subgroup (although they have Evenk origin) who seem to be closer to Buryats than other Mongols. They also seem to live in Mongolia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamnigan

    Code:
    Khamnigan,2.51,44.07,0.35,3.91,1.04,2.99,0.67,0.18,0.36,42.50,1.37,0.06
    =8.27%

    Seems like their Tungusic Evenk and Oroqen (need this pop to improve the fit distance) ancestry decrease their Caucasoid score.
    Last edited by Zanzibar; 06-11-2021 at 02:21 PM.

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